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    Compound Turbos

    I'm sure many of you have seen Randy (Carcrafter)'s compound turbo 4BD1TT in the US. But that's a little extreme for our usages.

    Here's a compound turbo setup done by Greg in Canada on his Toyota 3B. The goal being a wide range of boost and keeping the EGT's down. I helped him through it but he did all the work.

    3B compound turbo, 25psi boost!?!

    The downside of the less efficient (and not as strong) IDI toyota engine is he's probably only pushing a little over 400Nm even with all that boost. I think a set of IP plungers from an Isuzu 4BD1/4BD2 would possibly fit his pump and would help plenty. He's working on lowering compression and ceramic coating everything inside to keep heating and stress down.

    Bush65 has a compound set from an international which he plans to fit. I also plan to do a compound set but keep running out of time or money or both. Anyone else keen?
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    Hi Dougal.

    As I know bugger all about the tachnical side of a compound set up, this may seem like a dopey question......

    In this example the lower turbo output is plumbed to the inlet of the upper turbo, which is then further pressurized and sent to the inlet manifold - a bit like a 'series' electrical circuit. I suppose this arrangement lends itself to the 'compound' title.

    Is there any advantage of this over a 'parallel' system that directs the independent 'outlets' of each turbo to the inlet manifold - say via a 'Y' junction?

    I would have thought the upper turbo (turbine) would have shown some inefficiencies by having to cope with air pressure from the lower turbine as well as doing its own thing?

    ??

    Matt

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    Yes it's essentially series turbocharging.

    The problem with parrallel turbocharging is with high boost. A turbo that works over most of the engines rpm range with 10psi will cover a much smaller part of the rev range at 20psi.
    Compound or series turbocharging lets the small turbo cover the wide range that it can as a low boost single, but still gives high boost due to the larger turbo pushing it along.

    The larger turbo also benefits will the small turbo increasing the airflow through it and bringing it on boost much sooner than it can alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Bush65 has a compound set from an international which he plans to fit. I also plan to do a compound set but keep running out of time or money or both. Anyone else keen?
    I'm just wondering why you need so much power? With a turbo 4BD1 the last thing I need is straight line acceleration, I'm already overtaking Patrols and Landcruisers while accelerating up hills. The torque, power and strength of these engines really are impressive and with a 350 EGT post turbo I'm sure I could easily get more but in the real world there's corners, stopping distances and noise.

    If the answer to the above is simply "Because you can", then great, I look forward to the video

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    It's not about power (but there is never too much), it's about the fattest possible torque curve.
    The right sized compound set will give you full boost from the lowest rpm you can use it and hold that boost all the way to the rev limiter.

    Where the wastegated turbos I've been playing with I had to choose between smaller turbos that can deliver 20psi from around 1400rpm and tended to choke around 2800rpm or larger turbos that can deliver 20psi from 1800rpm to 3,600rpm. A compound set can cover the range better and deliver more boost.

    A variable vane turbo will give some of those benefits, but they are scarce in the size our engines need.

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