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    Another turbo question-- or 2

    Well I've researched this forum about as much as I can & I am still a bit confused.
    I can buy a "as fitted standard" turbo for my 4bd1 for $990 & GST from a local turbo fitter.
    Obviously this is a T25 Garret variant but I read here I can basically buy a similar unit secondhand & make it fit.
    Am I correct in that the flange is the tricky bit? I understand the manifold I need to buy from Isuzu ($346.50) has a T3 flange as standard, but this is rare in the T25 "family" so I need to buy/fabricate an adaptor to get a ebay cheapie.
    If I'm correct so far, does this adaptor make the unit sit higher? I've put 1" noise suppression stuff onto the bonnet underside.
    If I buy the standard off the shelf unit, will I need to get the exhaust pipe modified, or does the exhaust pipe bolt up as standard to the turbo?
    I cant seem to find any pics of the standard factory setup on AULRO.

    Thanks,
    David

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    Here are some pics of the stock Garrett turbo. Earlier models had a different manifold and an IHI turbo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    If I buy the standard off the shelf unit, will I need to get the exhaust pipe modified, or does the exhaust pipe bolt up as standard to the turbo?
    I cant seem to find any pics of the standard factory setup on AULRO.

    Thanks,
    David
    As you can see in this pic, the exhaust outlet on the turbo is closer to the front of the engine and it points down, so you will need to at least modify the first bit of your exhaust.

    Murray

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    There are several "factory" turbos.

    Early high mount IHI RHB6.
    Then high mount T25 with T2 flange.
    Then angled mount T25 with T3 flange (no wastegate), this is pictured above.
    Then angled mount T25 with T3 flange and wastegated. Mainly found on the 4BD2T.

    I haven't found anyone who can give me some good numbers on the factory non-wastegated T25 shown above. Sure I have one in my parts bin, but I have other turbos I'd rather fit.
    Specifically, I'd like to know how many rpm until it delivers 10psi at full load (like up a hill with foot down). Given it's large A/R exhaust housing, I think it'll be at a higher rpm than most of us would like.

    Isuzurover has fitted my adapter design and T28 to his county. He has pictures in a thread here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rijidij View Post
    As you can see in this pic, the exhaust outlet on the turbo is closer to the front of the engine and it points down, so you will need to at least modify the first bit of your exhaust.

    Murray

    That turbo looks like it sits as high or higher than my T28 with Dougal's adaptor. That "factory" turbo has a longer/less compact turbine inlet.

    The clearance from turbo to bonnet shouldn't be an issue, but the clearance when running a crossover pipe over the tappet cover is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    The clearance from turbo to bonnet shouldn't be an issue, but the clearance when running a crossover pipe over the tappet cover is.
    Hey Ben, can you tell me how far above the tappet cover your turbo is? (measured from the top of the tappet cover to the upper most point of the turbo). I've got the measurement for a high mount (60mm above, 115mm from edge of tappet cover...thanks rar110) so it'll be interesting to see how yours compares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by County3.9 View Post
    Hey Ben, can you tell me how far above the tappet cover your turbo is? (measured from the top of the tappet cover to the upper most point of the turbo). I've got the measurement for a high mount (60mm above, 115mm from edge of tappet cover...thanks rar110) so it'll be interesting to see how yours compares.
    I think I'll go Murrays (Rigidij's) way & rout the pipe down & in front of the radiator. Maybe even an intercooler like his 1st one too.
    They say impersonation is the best form of flattery

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    Quote Originally Posted by County3.9 View Post
    Hey Ben, can you tell me how far above the tappet cover your turbo is? (measured from the top of the tappet cover to the upper most point of the turbo). I've got the measurement for a high mount (60mm above, 115mm from edge of tappet cover...thanks rar110) so it'll be interesting to see how yours compares.
    Rocker covers are one thing that have changed a bit. There seem to be at least 3 different versions.

    So it would probably be better to measure from the top of the head (perhaps near an exhaust manifold bolt where the side of the rocker cover is recessed).

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    I have a solidworks drawing showing the factory turbo and a T25/T28 on the adapter overlaid.
    Remind me to post it up later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by County3.9 View Post
    Hey Ben, can you tell me how far above the tappet cover your turbo is? (measured from the top of the tappet cover to the upper most point of the turbo). I've got the measurement for a high mount (60mm above, 115mm from edge of tappet cover...thanks rar110) so it'll be interesting to see how yours compares.
    I have temporarily put a stock turbo on to take some measurements for you.

    Top of head to top of hump on acoustic cover approx 98 to 99 mm.

    Top of head to top of pipe between compressor outlet and inlet manifold (see 1st pic) approx 145 to 146 mm. About 150 mm to top of mounting bracket.

    Top of hump on acoustic cover to highest point on compressor (see 2nd pic) approx 20 mm (rule in pic is sitting on the 'turbo' badge (4 mm high) on top of cover).
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