BROCK OR WHINCUP?

This whole 'my manufacturer is good and your manufacturer is evil' crap is the reason I stopped watching sedan racing and started watching bikes. Bike fans would rather watch a win by 0.006 of a second than by six laps and are in it for the atmosphere not the flag waving. I actually won tickets to a V8SC event once and found it more interesting checking their pit set ups than the racing.

Jeff

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Couple of Qs whats the name of that book craig E? and can anyone tell me what stone brothers racing is up to these days?

There seems to be some misquoted figures:
The XU1 was around 240bhp race trim.
Road going versions were 125 - 190 bhp depending on model 161-202 engines.
The GTHO was around 300 bhp in road trim and 380bhp in race trim with reports of far more being extracted by teams and recently admitted to running parts that were not strictly stock.
Valiant Charger E38 280 hp in 265 version.

There may be some confusion over the XU1 Rallycross version which was supercharged and produced 329 bhp (I have personally seen this car). This was never a touring car and Brock never raced the XU2 instead drove the

So I would think it was actually a fair trade off and comparison. But on tracks like Bathurst technically the GTHO should have been superior but wasnt when it came to handling and brakes and ultimately is whatt let them down.

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Couple of Qs whats the name of that book craig E? and can anyone tell me what stone brothers racing is up to these days?

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Stone Brothers I think are in a Mercedes AMG team now are they not? Erebus motorsport run by Betty I think. I quite like her and her spirit, but dont like mercs much.

The book is just "Dick Johnson" by Dick Johnson and James Phelps and should be available at most bookstores. I picked it up when travelling to ****et at the airport bookstore.

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So I would think it was actually a fair trade off and comparison. But on tracks like Bathurst technically the GTHO should have been superior but wasnt when it came to handling and brakes and ultimately is whatt let them down.

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Not forgetting the need for less fuel stops.

I like reading about the way they all cheated, or bent the rules in the old days. They say Harry 'The Fox' Firth was made head scrutineer at CAMS because he was the best at it.

I got given the Dick Johnson book for Christmas, I have only just started it. Must find time to read the rest.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by Jeff

This whole 'my manufacturer is good and your manufacturer is evil' crap is the reason I stopped watching sedan racing and started watching bikes. Bike fans would rather watch a win by 0.006 of a second than by six laps and are in it for the atmosphere not the flag waving. I actually won tickets to a V8SC event once and found it more interesting checking their pit set ups than the racing.

Jeff

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I don't know about that one mate i have been down to philip island twice once for the super bikes and once for moto gp and i saw alot of honda/yamaha fans giving to the ducati fans it was getting quiet heated large itialian fan base were starting to get very ****ed off:D

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Originally Posted by Jeff

This whole 'my manufacturer is good and your manufacturer is evil' crap is the reason I stopped watching sedan racing and started watching bikes. Bike fans would rather watch a win by 0.006 of a second than by six laps and are in it for the atmosphere not the flag waving. I actually won tickets to a V8SC event once and found it more interesting checking their pit set ups than the racing.

Jeff

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Jeff,
I agree with some of your sentiment. While I like the V8supercars the whole Holden vs Ford thing with cars you could not buy is a bit boring.
The old days of class racing with cars you could actually buy was better. The cars were rather different and teams went down different paths either focusing on hp or handling. Now they are the same cars with different badges.

Well that didn't take long to get off topic

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Jeff,
I agree with some of your sentiment. While I like the V8supercars the whole Holden vs Ford thing with cars you could not buy is a bit boring.
The old days of class racing with cars you could actually buy was better. The cars were rather different and teams went down different paths either focusing on hp or handling. Now they are the same cars with different badges.

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To go totally off topic, I prefer open wheelers if I had to watch cars. They sadly are sidelined while V8SC has taken all the tv and sponsor time from other parts of motorsport. And yes you can buy one, you just can't drive them on the road.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Stone Brothers I think are in a Mercedes AMG team now are they not? Erebus motorsport run by Betty I think. I quite like her and her spirit, but dont like mercs much.

The book is just "Dick Johnson" by Dick Johnson and James Phelps and should be available at most bookstores. I picked it up when travelling to ****et at the airport bookstore.

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sweet thanks mate. so at a guess erebus is run by stone brothers? and betty is the owner? agree betty is cool saw a special on her and the good thing is the other teams have welcomed her in what is very much a male dominated sport. if stone brothers are involved it wont be long till they are at the pointy end those boys are brilliant car builders. ambrose and ingall proved that:)