BROCK OR WHINCUP?

It can never be "measured" to get a real estimate... It's all hypothetical with no correct answer...just our prejudices :eek::wasntme:

what I did find "most" interesting was that at one point today in the scramble for pole position, the top 10 drivers were separated by less than 0.5 sec for a total lap time of 51 seconds... or thereabouts. With all of the variables involved it's the sum of the parts...

I'd like to see them put the drivers names in a hat and allocate them identically tuned cars straight off the production line (like a celebrity challenge!)... now that would be interesting!:twisted:

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Originally Posted by pop058

Sorry to rattle your cage, but Ford owned Landrover from 2000-2008, and you own a 2003 D2A

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No the TD5's are BMW models. :D :wasntme:

Brock also raced a BMW in the early 70s at Spa, Larry raced some real ****ty F1 cars including the story of tearing a whole car down on a tarp after practice and rebuilding it to qualifying the best the car ever had.

But, the only driver to have ever won the world drivers championship and constructors championship in a car of his own design with a substantially smaller budget was our own Sir Jack Brabham in the Repco-Brabham.......think the is some family history somewhere between the Repco engine and V8 LandRover engines......2nd cousins maybe?

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Frank,
This shows you know nothing. Rounded the average weight of the Commodores and Falcons in Sedan was around 1500kgs. I would have to re-read to determine the weight advantage but it was somwhere around 300-500kgs
The figure put into CAMS for the Falcon XD was the ute weight, now i would have to look up the exact weight but was around 300 plus kgs lighter than the Commodore and other XD Falcons. DJ has admitted to this, though it was not him that put the weights to CAMS, but he read the manual cover to cover and discovered the weight discrepancy and used it (with in the current rules). No one else did until the car was weighed at one race with no fuel and the secret was discovered. The car was meant to be weighed at full fuel to hide the weight differences some what. Once discovered the other Falcons stripped weight away and the Commodores were given a concession. From that point forward the XD could not compete and DJs advantage was over.
Read his autobiography. DJ a Ford man that became a Ford man not by choice but by circumstance. He wanted to be a factory Holden driver.
You Ford fruit loops will just never get over being beaten by a superior designed car that did not rely on horsepower alone.

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Well Craig you really are showing what an ignoramus you really are, you make up **** as you go and post it as fact, a few facts for you to digest.
From the XA Ford Falcon right up until now Falcons were designed by Australians in Australia.
Lets see you name how many GM's were designed here by Australians (except for the ugly Monaro).
Holden didn't race the HQ because GM were too gutless to compete on even ground.
Even St. Brock got caught cheating, magnesium inlet manifolds, Manganese steel front suspension arms, you really have no clue if you believe GM didn't cheat, and big time, GM said they were out of racing and used the front of the holden dealers team.
Have a look at the gear GM run in their current Supercars, total copies of Fords V8 engine, Harrop gearboxes, Ford diffs, what a joke.
BTW, every time one of these threads on Holden vs. Ford comes I always reel in some catches, but you have taken the bait, hook, line, sinker and even the rod, but even then Holdens are still crap, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by Kev the Fridgy

Hmmm brock, Lowndes, D.J., Rusty,... Oh and one more.. Larry, Larry, Larry,..... seriously, what Larry Perkins did with a 308 and 5 stud wheels while everyone else was running small Blocks and center lok hubs is pretty bloody impressive, no bull**** no excuses just says it likes it is

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Very impressive engineer/driver i think there was a time in the 90s were a huge amount of the field were using perkins engineering race parts.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Well Craig you really are showing what an ignoramus you really are, you make up **** as you go and post it as fact, a few facts for you to digest.
From the XA Ford Falcon right up until now Falcons were designed by Australians in Australia.
Lets see you name how many GM's were designed here by Australians (except for the ugly Monaro).
Holden didn't race the HQ because GM were too gutless to compete on even ground.
Even St. Brock got caught cheating, magnesium inlet manifolds, Manganese steel front suspension arms, you really have no clue if you believe GM didn't cheat, and big time, GM said they were out of racing and used the front of the holden dealers team.
Have a look at the gear GM run in their current Supercars, total copies of Fords V8 engine, Harrop gearboxes, Ford diffs, what a joke.
BTW, every time one of these threads on Holden vs. Ford comes I always reel in some catches, but you have taken the bait, hook, line, sinker and even the rod, but even then Holdens are still crap, Regards Frank.

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Um sorry to burst your bubble but in the current V8 S/car format (COTF) they don't use Harrop gear boxes or 9" Diff gears, they now (all cars all teams) use a transaxle from Albins Engineering, another Aussie company kicking a few goals around and about that doesn't get much publicity.


As for GM copying Fords engine design, I think your getting some seriously warped misinformation there, although a basic 90 Deg, Cross plane crank engine with push rods or O/Head cam is always going to be similar in design when capacity is restricted IMHO

This video sums up Brocky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SE5fk4vXYU
Jamie wins because he has the best of everything, How many wins did Jamie have with Gary Rodgers???

It's interesting to note how relaxed he was in a car, along with Dick Johnson, when you consider the way the cars moved around and just how much movement there was within the cars. I have watched and listened to both drivers and others and still impresses me just how apparently easy they punched out decent lap times whilst commentating, pretty sure it's harder than they make it out to be. It's this sort of mental toughness that makes legends.

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Originally Posted by sdt463

No the TD5's are BMW models. :D :wasntme:

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You don't have to yell and I didn't say otherwise. I simply stated the owner of the company and the year of V8 Disco Lewy had in his shed.

Hi All

I am a holden man but enjoy watching the fords and chryslers too, I think Brocky was great - Moffat very good Larry Perkins was very good too, but if you compare Alan Grices record to Brockies you might get a shock, And no one has mentioned Big Rev Kev Bartlett who put together the best lap I have seen at Bathurst putting a Camaro on pole position in Hardy's Heroes in the wet.

Jim Richards was another one who was seriously quick and I would have loved to have seen John Goss factory funded.

The new guys are quick and they have their place in history too

Regards Mark