Thread: BROCK OR WHINCUP?

Originally Posted by pop058

You don't have to yell and I didn't say otherwise. I simply stated the owner of the company and the year of V8 Disco Lewy had in his shed.

Sorry pop didn't mean to shout and missed the v8, But the D2 will never be a Ford. Although I think the Nissan Patrol was for a while. Dave

Originally Posted by Tank

Well Craig you really are showing what an ignoramus you really are, you make up **** as you go and post it as fact, a few facts for you to digest.
From the XA Ford Falcon right up until now Falcons were designed by Australians in Australia.
Lets see you name how many GM's were designed here by Australians (except for the ugly Monaro).
Holden didn't race the HQ because GM were too gutless to compete on even ground.
Even St. Brock got caught cheating, magnesium inlet manifolds, Manganese steel front suspension arms, you really have no clue if you believe GM didn't cheat, and big time, GM said they were out of racing and used the front of the holden dealers team.
Have a look at the gear GM run in their current Supercars, total copies of Fords V8 engine, Harrop gearboxes, Ford diffs, what a joke.
BTW, every time one of these threads on Holden vs. Ford comes I always reel in some catches, but you have taken the bait, hook, line, sinker and even the rod, but even then Holdens are still crap, Regards Frank.

Lets at least keep this good natured, we are not talking life altering issues. First show me what **** I have made up? Will be unlikely as most is documented fact. Not sure what you mean by reel in, just putting the record straight.
Hang on we were talking GTHOs so XR,XT,XW,XY shapes all based on American Falcons. They may have been so called designed here , but used everything off US or South American Fords. The XA,XB and XC while probablly the most original also used similar panels and design influences from existing American cars including the Mustang, Torino, Ranchero ute and even Mexican Maverick, engines and drive trains. I have posted pictures of these American / Mexican cars before. many of the panels were borrowed from early 70s Torino's & Mustangs , in fact many are a modified swap and used by Americans to build or maintain Mad Max interceptor replicas. A few Torinos have even been turned into replicas. Maybe graft a Torino and a Mustang and an XA appears.
Holdens not Australian designed, they all were, from the FX through, but also used designs and parts from other manufacturers under the same banner, same as Ford, Chrysler and many more. There are very few original designs from the ground up. There is nothing like a LH and LX Torana from another manufacturer, Monaros, VN Commodores on wards.Holden actually sold these cars back to the US from the VN onwards. No Australian Ford has done this. Vauxhalls have been mentioned as a base for earlier Toranas, Opel also made similar with an Ascona that also turned into an early Commodore style as well (V.
I at least do my research on all makes and know the background.
GM using HDT as a back door, shows your ignorance. When GM pulled out of motor racing here a group of local dealers came together and started HDT, then on selling it to Brock. GM through Holden decided later to get inolved from a supply point only initially and then tried to buy back HDT and when they could not started HSV / HRT with the help of Walkinshaw.
I have never said Holden have not cheated they all have at some point. Moffat and DJ both went to the states and brought back parts that were not strictly legal.
Copy of the Ford engine, really? I think not. The Ford engine actually copied the Chev back in the 80s when they went from 5.7 to the 5 litre Mustang engine.
Typical Ford lover, does not even know the marques history.
You Ford guys still cant get over being beaten by a little smaller engined car, that simple. You just dont seem to get touring car racing in those days was class racing. That someone took a different tact than horsepower just seems to be unacceptable to you. They could have always brought a big block Chevelle or Nova over.

Oh and now to admit when I am wrong. I quoted the official HP figures of the road and race XYGTHO, which are correct at 300hp and 380hp respectively. I did mention that some may have been producing more HP and I think I said around 500hp, I was wrong it was 450HP in Allan Moffats, A little above the supposed 380 hp that they would own up to at the time. Makes the XU1 even more of a giant slayer. I should have remembered this of course as I was actually offered this vehicle to buy in the mid 80's but did not have the cash as I was an apprentice. Lets say it was significantly less than what it is valued at now. http://www.bowdensown.com.au/allan-moffats-xy-gtho

Now by no means do not get me wrong I do like Falcons, spent a lot of my youth in XY, XA, XB, XCs. Have even owned XD and XE Falcons.

Have a look at the 69-71 Torino and honestly tell me you cannot see XA Coupe lines just to rubs some salt in.

Ford Torino 428 Cobra Jet photos, picture # 15

Or 1970 Ford torino about half way down page

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Torino"]Ford Torino - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Maybe even 71 Torino

1971 Ford Torino - Pictures - CarGurus

And this surely doesnt look like one either

Ford torino gt pictures. Photo 8.

Nor this one

Photo: Ford 1971 Torino_Set 01_11.jpg | Torino album | Muscles-cars | Fotki.com, photo and video sharing made easy.

http://justacarguy.blogspot.com.au/2...oody-ford.html

I was a Holden fan (more enjoy the drivers these days) but this has to be up their as one of the sexiest cars
ALLAN MOFFAT'S 1969 TRANS AM MUSTANG | BOWDEN'S OWN car

Just for the purple fans (red and blue together )

PS. no, it is not photoshoped

Originally Posted by pop058

Just for the purple fans (red and blue together )

PS. no, it is not photoshoped

Ah, I remember that.
That was a Tribute lap to Brockie around Mt Panorama if I'm not mistaken.

Originally Posted by discovery39

Ah, I remember that.
That was a Tribute lap to Brockie around Mt Panorama if I'm not mistaken.

True photo. Are you aware DJ originally raced Holden's and was actually a Holden man through and through, even drove a race fro HDT and placed well and hoped for a factory Holden drive, but never got one. Imagine Brock and DJ as a team? It was only when he got some backing by Brian Byrt that he changed allegiances and became a Ford driver.

Didn't know that. Would have made a good team though.
I do remember the uproar when Lowndes went to Ford, and that he was actually a Ford bloke in the beginning. (as a child)
It's funny how we 'glue' the person to the brand they drive.

Originally Posted by CraigE

True photo. Are you aware DJ originally raced Holden's and was actually a Holden man through and through, even drove a race fro HDT and placed well and hoped for a factory Holden drive, but never got one. Imagine Brock and DJ as a team? It was only when he got some backing by Brian Byrt that he changed allegiances and became a Ford driver.

Very true craig. since i started this thread i watched 2 dvd's the first one was dick johnson 25 years at bathurst and the other the history of HDT and i got to say both were bloody brilliant. The johnson dvd was awesome in how it traced his history from the early days racing many holdens fj, eh, hr, and how he tried so hard to break into the holden team and by chance ended up racing for ford only because they offered to give him a car. But the way he took the fight to brock who had huge support behind him was a massive effort. After watching the HDT dvd i am now convinced whincup has a very long way to go some of the footage of the early bathurst wins is incredible that man was a legend. When harry firth first started HDT he was given a budget of 500,060 huge money in 1969.