Thread: BROCK OR WHINCUP?

Well you have just proved my statement re: your knowledge, Quote: "Holdens not Australian designed, they all were, from the FX through",
Recent Doco on Foxtel showing the GM history in Australia and how they bought out a coach builder, Holden (BTW 30 years after Ford built their factory here), the original holden was designed in America, by Americans and slightly modified by a pommy who was sent out here to whip us Socialist/communists Aussies into line. Maybe you should check your facts before you put your foot in your mouth.
The XA,XB, XC shape Ford Falcons were designed in the mid 60's by Ford Australia's design office, the Yanks actually copied some of the Ford Aust. designs.
Now for a lesson on chev and ford engines, Ford released the OHV Y Block (272, 292, 312) in 1954, chev introduced it's small block a year or two later, Both engines had similar heads, Siamese inlet ports each end of the head, Siamese exhaust ports in the middle of the head and one port each end, with the dissy at the rear of the block.
Ford dropped this engine in passenger cars in 57/58, chev carried on with it's small block, Ford introduced the FE Ford Big Block in 58, a "Y" block, this engine was used up till the mid 70's, available in 332,352,390, 406, 410, 428 and 427 cu.in. sizes, the 427 Side oiler (cross bolted mains) FE went on to dominate Ferrari at Le mans, winning 4 years in a row, also used by Carroll Shelby in Cobras, this engine was a dominant force in Nascar as well and in SOHC form powered the first dragster to break the 6 second barrier.
The 289 (Windsor) was developed in the early 60's, it had a block with the crank pan rail level with the centreline of the crank, it started as a 221, 260, then 289, 302, and a 351. The head design had 4 equally spaced inlet ports, with equal length runners and 4 equally spaced exhaust ports, the bore was (289) 4", stroke was 2.87" and it was common for these engines to rev into the 10,000rpm in race trim. This engine was the basis for the quad cam engines that took over Indy racing, Offenhauser were 168 cu. in. engines and blown, they (owners of Offys) complained that Ford should not be allowed to blow their engines with their (Ford) larger capacity V8's, So blown engines were not to be more than 168 cu.in., So Ford reduced their engines to 168 and put 2 turbos on and produced 900bhp and still beat all comers. This engine went on to become the most winningest Formula 1 engine of all time.
Now the latest chev engines have (LS1 etc.)"Y" blocks, Cross bolted mains, Hi-Port heads (like Fords 427 Hi-Riser heads), equally spaced inlet and exhaust ports, like Ford have had since the 60's. The 5 litre chev (not Holden) that winchup is driving has canted valves and equal length port runners, just like the Ford 5 litre, derived from the Boss 302, which was a Windsor block with Cleveland heads. So chev has been the follower and Ford the innovater and leader, and no amount of your so called facts can dispute this, take the latest offerings from chev and Ford, chev has a LS1 type engine with OHV's, 2 Valves /cyl. copied from 60's Fords and a cross-bolted "Y" block also copied from a 60's Ford. On the other hand Ford have an all alloy block (Y block with 6 bolt mains) with DOHC heads/4 valves per cyl, with factory supercharging and have had this family of engines for over 20 years, Long Live Ford, Regards Frank.

Originally Posted by lewy

Good to see the good natured rivalry still there between ford and holden. Cant imagine volvo and merc discussions like this in the future.Now what was the original question

Ford owns Volvo, Regards Frank.

Originally Posted by Tank

Ford owns Volvo, Regards Frank.

I thought Ford quit them a few years back and the Chinese now own them
Andrew

Hey tank was that doco called wide open road?

Originally Posted by Tank

Well you have just proved my statement re: your knowledge, Quote: "Holdens not Australian designed, they all were, from the FX through",
Recent Doco on Foxtel showing the GM history in Australia and how they bought out a coach builder, Holden (BTW 30 years after Ford built their factory here), the original holden was designed in America, by Americans and slightly modified by a pommy who was sent out here to whip us Socialist/communists Aussies into line. Maybe you should check your facts before you put your foot in your mouth.
The XA,XB, XC shape Ford Falcons were designed in the mid 60's by Ford Australia's design office, the Yanks actually copied some of the Ford Aust. designs.
Now for a lesson on chev and ford engines, Ford released the OHV Y Block (272, 292, 312) in 1954, chev introduced it's small block a year or two later, Both engines had similar heads, Siamese inlet ports each end of the head, Siamese exhaust ports in the middle of the head and one port each end, with the dissy at the rear of the block.
Ford dropped this engine in passenger cars in 57/58, chev carried on with it's small block, Ford introduced the FE Ford Big Block in 58, a "Y" block, this engine was used up till the mid 70's, available in 332,352,390, 406, 410, 428 and 427 cu.in. sizes, the 427 Side oiler (cross bolted mains) FE went on to dominate Ferrari at Le mans, winning 4 years in a row, also used by Carroll Shelby in Cobras, this engine was a dominant force in Nascar as well and in SOHC form powered the first dragster to break the 6 second barrier.
The 289 (Windsor) was developed in the early 60's, it had a block with the crank pan rail level with the centreline of the crank, it started as a 221, 260, then 289, 302, and a 351. The head design had 4 equally spaced inlet ports, with equal length runners and 4 equally spaced exhaust ports, the bore was (289) 4", stroke was 2.87" and it was common for these engines to rev into the 10,000rpm in race trim. This engine was the basis for the quad cam engines that took over Indy racing, Offenhauser were 168 cu. in. engines and blown, they (owners of Offys) complained that Ford should not be allowed to blow their engines with their (Ford) larger capacity V8's, So blown engines were not to be more than 168 cu.in., So Ford reduced their engines to 168 and put 2 turbos on and produced 900bhp and still beat all comers. This engine went on to become the most winningest Formula 1 engine of all time.
Now the latest chev engines have (LS1 etc.)"Y" blocks, Cross bolted mains, Hi-Port heads (like Fords 427 Hi-Riser heads), equally spaced inlet and exhaust ports, like Ford have had since the 60's. The 5 litre chev (not Holden) that winchup is driving has canted valves and equal length port runners, just like the Ford 5 litre, derived from the Boss 302, which was a Windsor block with Cleveland heads. So chev has been the follower and Ford the innovater and leader, and no amount of your so called facts can dispute this, take the latest offerings from chev and Ford, chev has a LS1 type engine with OHV's, 2 Valves /cyl. copied from 60's Fords and a cross-bolted "Y" block also copied from a 60's Ford. On the other hand Ford have an all alloy block (Y block with 6 bolt mains) with DOHC heads/4 valves per cyl, with factory supercharging and have had this family of engines for over 20 years, Long Live Ford, Regards Frank.

The first of the small blocks 221 ci and you left out the big block 428 .The Fords had the distributor at the front and the chevs at the rear which made the Fords better in 4WD use for water crossings


AM

Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner

The first of the small blocks 221 ci and you left out the big block 428 .The Fords had the distributor at the front and the chevs at the rear which made the Fords better in 4WD use for water crossings


AM

No the 221 and the 428 are there, the first Ford OHV V8 released in 1954 (272, 292, 312) had a rear mounted dissy, you could always tell when the rear gearbox mount had **** itself because the back of the engine would droop and bring the wire from the coil to dissy into contact with the accelerator arm. Which was on the firewall behind the dissy, it would cause a serious miss, esp. when going uphill, that's in a Cusso, Regards Frank.

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

I thought Ford quit them a few years back and the Chinese now own them
Andrew

Andy, you're probably right, hope things continue to improve, best of wishes, regards Frank.

Originally Posted by disco man

Hey tank was that doco called wide open road?

I think it was, it was one of the Turbo channels, it will be on again, it's been repeated a thousand bloody times, Regards Frank.