Thread: Historic Racing Qld Raceway

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Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.

Mate as a avid anything motor sport i reckon if anyone with anything is willing to invest their hard earned cash and go out and give it a go good on em
I appreciate your said polisher`s and their cars for what they are and the investment involved with the preservation of the icons .
So please enjoy the sport for what it is and the memory`s because if you want these guys to go out on a track and destroy the history all that will remain is memory`s

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.

I used to navigate (NSW State Rally) in the early 80's in among other things "a fake Mk1 RS2000". It was the vehicle of choice for the owner/driver and he did not have the budget for a real one (if you could have found one at all). Going on your theory "What is the point of these and similar fakes", what would you have this guy do ?, can't find or afford a real one so sit at home and watch it on the telly or build one and get out there and give it a crack ?.

If you removed all the "non-original" cars from the Touring Car Masters, I would hazard a guess the grid would be rather bare.

Gees its a small forest Paul,,
I chased many a rally car around NSW in the 80's

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

Have you ever considered organizing an original classic car event/meet??

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

I know a few owners of original Aussie collectables (and I used to be one, but that is another story ) and they generally don't share that opinion, so we may have to agree to disagree on that point. Sorry no Bugatti owners among them so I cannot comment on that type/class of vehicle.

As far as dodgy replicas go, there are a few more letters/numbers you can ad to the "RS2000" list. Letter/numbers like GTHO, A9X, L34, E38, GT500, GTS, GT, blah blah blah. If the options are having replicas making up grid numbers or only having 1 or 2 (originals) racing each other, you can probably guess what I would vote for.