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    The underbonnet system was not activated when the car was stopped - a little while after the driver got out he went back into the passenger side and activated it.

    Before that the marshall hit the front of the car with a fire extinguisher - she did not seem to have any troubles using it but because she did not jump down and poke it through an opening it had no impact. I was wondering why she did not jumo down as she was ineffectual where she was but the discussion about not going onto the circuit cleared that up - but it did make her actions (lack of action) understandable.

    She then could be seen to be "fumbling" with another extinguisher (but she obviously new how to use it) but gave it to the driver who went around to the drivers side and squirted it under the front wheel arch - still not much use. Maybe the marshall was talking with the driver about the approach so maybe this is why she seemed to be fumbling.

    Then the fire unit arrived.

    For me the marshall not jumping down to give the car a squirt was the main issue but has now been explained - on one hand I can understand the rule but marshalls should also be given a bit of leaway - the driver was allowed on the circuit so if the marshall (remember they need to be fully trained) was happy then maybe OK.

    In the circumstances I think that Marshall did exactly what she should have done and performed well.

    I was disappointed that the crash message either by radio or the marshall system did not reach the Merc drive in the last crash as the Merc did arrive on the scene sometime later and possibly should have been aware of the incident ahead if the system had worked as it should.

    I dont have a better solution but I think the safety car is killing car racing in Australia but I certainly dont have a better answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    The underbonnet system was not activated when the car was stopped - a little while after the driver got out he went back into the passenger side and activated it.

    Before that the marshall hit the front of the car with a fire extinguisher - she did not seem to have any troubles using it but because she did not jump down and poke it through an opening it had no impact. I was wondering why she did not jumo down as she was ineffectual where she was but the discussion about not going onto the circuit cleared that up - but it did make her actions (lack of action) understandable.

    She then could be seen to be "fumbling" with another extinguisher (but she obviously new how to use it) but gave it to the driver who went around to the drivers side and squirted it under the front wheel arch - still not much use. Maybe the marshall was talking with the driver about the approach so maybe this is why she seemed to be fumbling.

    Then the fire unit arrived.

    For me the marshall not jumping down to give the car a squirt was the main issue but has now been explained - on one hand I can understand the rule but marshalls should also be given a bit of leaway - the driver was allowed on the circuit so if the marshall (remember they need to be fully trained) was happy then maybe OK.

    In the circumstances I think that Marshall did exactly what she should have done and performed well.

    I was disappointed that the crash message either by radio or the marshall system did not reach the Merc drive in the last crash as the Merc did arrive on the scene sometime later and possibly should have been aware of the incident ahead if the system had worked as it should.

    I dont have a better solution but I think the safety car is killing car racing in Australia but I certainly dont have a better answer.
    Gary,
    The driver is also not supposed to stay on the track but get up on the wall immediately. I do hope Paul actually gets fined for this, but likely wont. The amount of time we have had to get drivers off the track is unbelievable and slows us up as well.With the other incident near the end of the race, something similar could have been catastrophic in this case. The flag marshall did exactly what she was supposed to, but even with that is not supposed to activate an extinguisher unless threat to life.
    No one can enter the circuit until it is either under the control of the safety car and under double yellows or under red.
    As you have said there is no easy solution. We cannot call red flag only race control can, gets very frustrating when an open wheeler is upside down on someones head. But the rules are there to protect us as well. As I have said in previous posts often the drivers are not aware, have not seen the double yellows or just dont care and can continue at speed, Look at the GT cars at Barbagallos last year pit exit / turn 1, car on fire. We got a bit of stick by the media for not being quicker, but the cars were still doing in excess of 200kmph in this area for 2 laps until the safety car got them under control. No way I was putting anyone on the track until they slowed and actually had to chastise one that did creep around the wall. Televised events are quite different and we have to be quick as possible due to air time commitments etc and makes people very reluctant to red flag an event. In normal events they do get red flagged a lot quicker as the implications are not as bad. Well the season is about to start again for us with the first event this Saturday (private event though not WASCC).
    There are no easy solutions, but we cannot put people at risk. The drivers need to be more proactive in using their on board fire suppression.
    On another note our crews try to use foam if available rather than DCP as the DCP is more corrosive and a lot harder to clean, especially on engine intakes.
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    Bathurst 6 Hr

    Interesting just watched a replay of the Bathurst 6 hr and Craig Bairds car fire.
    Shows the commentary team have no idea as commented on how fast the flag marshall and fire crew got the fire out.
    The car pulled up near a marshall point, flag marshall on track edge at car before track under control, right in the door with a fire extinguisher but no PPE on at all. He did a great job at knocking it down before fire crew arrived, but and its a huge but no PPE on at all, if this fire had flashed back he would have been in a huge world of trouble. At best he should have stood back at least 3 metres (considered a safe distance if anything goes wrong).
    It is going to take a serious injury before this is addressed.
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