The Whyalla steel works must be saved, at any cost

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Originally Posted by incisor

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your not really that stupid are you?

hopefully it is just another **** stirring post....

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Not at all.
I agree with him....and I do feel sorry for the workers, ANY workers, ANYBODY that loses their jobs, and the implications that may have, PARTICULARLY, upon the FAMILIES involved.
So, if I'm "Stupid" then so be it.
The Govt, whoever is in power cannot support everybody that requires support. There was Ford, Holden, Sidchrome, now Arium, and then there are those who want more welfare, more wages, more health benefits,...MORE of everything, and that's all good, BUT, please tell me, WHERE the dollars are going to come from.
Of course, in terms of forum rules, this is all "IMHO",.....I'm not making it "Political",...don't care what Party, that's not the issue here, and not what I'm referring to.
Dave, You run things here mate, so pretty poor form to call someone "Stupid" just because their opinion is not the same as yours?
Pickles.

Not to worry. I just attended my sons graduation from Uni SA. Nearly 1000 graduates released into unemployment. Most of the poor kids leaving with feel good irrelevant pieces of parchment.
Only a handful with degree that may sustain let alone grow the nation.

Australia - soon to be the global equivalent of the 2 dollar shop.- just the dumping ground for low quality, unnecessary muck.

Really feel for those suffering. I don't think Australians realise just how much we are really losing when these industries finish.

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Originally Posted by incisor

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your not really that stupid are you?

hopefully it is just another **** stirring post....

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Thank you for expressing my exact feelings about Eevo, If I had posted my thoughts I would be shown the door, not to worry, he's now on my "Ignore List", just added his mate "Pickles2", Regards Frank.

I wonder how a company - any company - that cant survive in the lowest interest rate economy we have most likely ever had, can be pulled from the ashes with government support and survive in the same economic environment it already cant survive in.


If we made a law today that we would accept 0 % of steel from china , how long would it take before the stockpile was reduced enough for the local industry to not only start to sell products but also have the demand to produce more where they could start to see revenue flow enough to see a way forward. My guess would be a couple of years but its something I know little of.


The flow on effect would be the increase in costs to the building and construction sector , which would pass it on and then the new first home buyer has even less chance to enter the market.


I am all for supporting local , but it needs to be looked at very closely before the government cheque books get opened up for every struggling business.


I do know of many area's where I would rather see my tax dollars directed to - and a situation like this is 1 - compared to where its being wasted at present, but I would most likely get sent to CA if I started naming them.


Cheers Ean

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Dave, You run things here mate, so pretty poor form to call someone "Stupid" just because their opinion is not the same as yours?
Pickles.

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fair enough everybody reads things differently, but let me know when you trip over the smilie at the top of the post old mate...

feel free to address the serious post i made further down if you want a discussion... based on fact would be nice...

sadly i don't frequent the current affairs section because i always am told i cant behave like everybody else because i run the joint or i am biased because i dare differ with them so i run the place at a bias. i got over the confected outrage and hypocrisy ages ago.

it is what it is pickles...

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Originally Posted by incisor

on a par with the car industry but that was sacrificed to ideology as well.

let hope this one fairs better, tho i doubt it...

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I can see your point but I can't feel sorry for the Oz car industry.Land Rover was in a worse position than any Oz manufacturer and they dug themselves out of a bottomless pit and now are one of the most innovative car manufacturers there is and are getting better all the time.Land Rover didn't use excuses,they got on with it even though the pound is stronger than the dollar ever was,'olden and fud built rubbish no one want's,good riddance. Pat

I feel for the workers......but sadly the executives, governments, lazy Aussies, the demand for high wages and living standard is killing Australia........I reckon Australia is ****ed, I don't believe we will recover.

I believe NZ can make steel cheaper than AUS.

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Originally Posted by digger

But $40mil on a footbridge is OK?, Building an office block (on parklands) with shops in it when multiple shops and offices already built in nthe CBD are empty is a good investment for government?

I find it interesting people want to throw money at Holdens (and I do believe we should support the workers) but they are in an area with multiple other businesses and factories or a short travel to same. There are options..

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i agree here with ya digger.
the footbridge was a waste of money
adelaide oval, although a great stadium, wasnt needed
and i dont believe we should be throwing money at holdens either.
i think 40-50% of shops in the CDB are empty.



throwing money at a failing business is stupid.
it's a waste of time and money.

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Originally Posted by PAT303

I can see your point but I can't feel sorry for the Oz car industry.

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i don't feel sorry for the car making firms either.

for me the discussion should never have been about them

i just don't see the sense in biting your nose off to spite your face when you don't have a plan b [wink11] and you dump thousands of the people that voted you in, onto the street.

If Wheels unbiased reporting could save Holden, what could the Govt do :p