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It's called diplomacy. Not too diplomatic to stand on a soapbox shouting "you're all a bunch of bastards!".Paper cats should not try that type of diplomacy. Interesting to see that the only effective deterrent /weapon in any future conflict in the area would be the submarine.
I hope you are not trying to promote that type of behaviour in this part of the forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pickles2
CERTAINLY NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
Pickles.
I assume the Chinese know they would get flogged in a naval fight with the USA, but there would be some Chinese military hotheads who would like to try anyway, but be held back by the pragmatic leadership, which seems to believe in a softly, softly approach.
Nor would the USA's current leadership want to provoke conflict, but what if Trump was President of the USA?
This could go pear-shaped very quickly if the hotheads prevailed. Our best interests lie in hosing down the reckless talk, not chest-beating, I think.
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Originally Posted by roverv8
"All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing"
Edmund Burke.
In this context China is the 'evil doer', using it's newly acquired power to bully and intimidate its weaker neighbours (including Australia) and the rest of the world.
Isolationism or burying ones head in the sand is not the answer to an aggressive and expansionist China.
Deano :)
Remember last time China tried to bully Vietnam? It didn't go so well for them.
Don't forget, China has Australia over a trade barrel. We need them, more than they need us. Also, giving China control over the Port of Darwin, doesn't look like such a good idea, now. The sale of the largest irrigation project in Australia to the Chinese , Cubby Station [ google it] looks like another good idea. Not sure what you mean by newly acquired power.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanoH
True, but you are talking about a Nation at war since 1939, [Vietnam] fighting the Japanese, French, Americans [ & allies], and patient enough to beat them all. A nation of soldiers, battle hardened over years of conflict, one that thinks losing one million people is a means to an end. And Australia? Battle hardened doesn't mean fighting for a seat at the MCG grand final. True, we have a core of professional military , as good as any. Better than most. But I suggest we have neither the resources, or the stomach, for a prolonged fight with China. Politicians start wars, Foreign Affairs Ministers should practice diplomacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geedublya
ok, so what do you propose, start an all out war...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanoH
the horse has already bolted, they've already built their islands & militarized them,
Excuse me China, can you please dismantle what you've already built, not going to happen, & they will defend them...
They will do as they please, Just as Puttin has done,
why wasn't the rest of the world onto this before it got this far, in both cases
I didn't say bury our heads in the sand, I said sit back until if & when it comes crunch time, & help who we need to.
Australia is like a chiwawa barking at a rottweiler with this, why **** them off at this point, they're a strong trade partner.
P.S im not Chinese, nor do i have any ties/family Chinese
also I dont see anyone taking care of that clown in N Korea playing with nukes, "All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing"
It could go bad very quickly.
The Chinese have built bomb-proof aircraft hangers for jets on the islands and could move aircraft in very quickly. I see the Vietnamese have moved missiles onto their islands in the region. The South Koreans are nearby with plenty of missiles and jets. Lots of American firepower in South Korea and on their fleets. More nearby in Guam and Japan. Japan itself has one of the world's largest militaries. Even the Philippines could get involved. Who knows what North Korea would do.
Last thing we need is hotheads trying to blow up the situation by chest-beating. It is what it is. The Chinese are not going to back down.
Australia's only real interest is in making sure the shipping lanes stay open for our exports. We should curb the loose talk and focus on our national objectives.