Thread: What the Hijab means to Muslim women

I don't even have a problem with the Burka, if that is the wearers choice. However I do think that for legal and identity purposes, there should be no right of refusal to remove the face covering.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Problem is this culture shift blending that is occurring - will end up with no real culture anywhere...

All it will end up being is you live where you like the weather/ view..

Agree with Philip as well, all religions, ALL of them have a "book of rules" so to speak...

It is claimed that if you abide by these, win a free trip to see your Deity of choice... get it wrong or break the rules and one way ticket to torment.

Yet the followers of all these tools of manipulation of the masses tend to pick and choose the bits they wish...
According to the play books that doesn't work!

At the Botanic Gardens the other week..
2 lovely girls, Hijab on, short sleeve tops and shorts, paddling in the creek. Taking selfies and posting to Facebook...

Is it fair that we judge them, we don't know the pressure they are under at home. I would like to think they are the future, halfway between our World, and theirs. At the moment, they probably don't have much choice. It is the old men of this World that cause the problems, make the rules. Old men eventually die, and hopefully take their hate with them. Give the children the freedom to make their own decisions, and they will create the future. We in Australia must make sure that happens.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Problem is this culture shift blending that is occurring - will end up with no real culture anywhere...

All it will end up being is you live where you like the weather/ view..

Agree with Philip as well, all religions, ALL of them have a "book of rules" so to speak...

It is claimed that if you abide by these, win a free trip to see your Deity of choice... get it wrong or break the rules and one way ticket to torment.

Yet the followers of all these tools of manipulation of the masses tend to pick and choose the bits they wish...
According to the play books that doesn't work!

At the Botanic Gardens the other week..
2 lovely girls, Hijab on, short sleeve tops and shorts, paddling in the creek. Taking selfies and posting to Facebook...

Too true. These rules are a great tool for anyone who wishes to radicalise a tribe and recruit an instant army. That is why I think it is simplistic to blame any religion or religion in general for the troubles that ensue in the nam of a religion.
Ethnic hatred, bigotry and the blind ambition of some of the instigators are my usual suspects.
They don't necessarily need religion to accomplish this either. They could start a cult with just about any set of rules, even Science or a Philosophy, such as Rationalism.

Agree. But for that freedom to be genuine then organised religion has to go...

The play book is just that - it isn't forward thinking - it's Dinosaur thinking... written by superstitious old men in a sexist society that was the Opium capital of the world...

Wear a head scarf because you want, after all Pommie woman wore them in the Sun all the time for skin protection - makes sense...

But the oppressive stuff has to go...

And if you believe that a significant part of religious doctrine and text is outdated then religion itself needs to come to an end..

Believe in creation, Believe in a higher power all you will... (choice)
However the religions created and overseen by man need to come to an end to move forward.

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

I don't even have a problem with the Burka, if that is the wearers choice. However I do think that for legal and identity purposes, there should be no right of refusal to remove the face covering.

However that should mean I can go everywhere in a balaclava or full face helmet.

If I did that I'd be stopped in short order...

I certainly wouldn't get a nice reception at a Servo, Bank, McDonalds.... yet those in a fabric letterbox do...

Originally Posted by Tombie

However that should mean I can go everywhere in a balaclava or full face helmet.

If I did that I'd be stopped in short order...

I certainly wouldn't get a nice reception at a Servo, Bank, McDonalds.... yet those in a fabric letterbox do...

Dead right again. Which probably means that most of us realise, subconsciously or tacitly that the wearing of the Burka is not actually the wearers choice whereas the donning of a Balaclava and Full face Helmet would alert us to suspect motives.

Not when I pull into my local servo on the bike.
And just want to quickly splash $10 in the tank but have to go through the process of gloves, glasses, helmet off... where as without that bias I would have fuelled up, paid and left in under 5 min..

Or when I'm pulled over and have to remove the helmet to be identifiable.

I'm off to Thailand and where we are going I need to cover my ink, my wife must dress modest.... and that is fair, their country, their culture, their beliefs require my respect.

In Australia there is a culture, not the bogan one, and I see little issue with a similar request from our nation...

If you were looking to move to a different country, and the one you decide on bans alcohol, but you're a Whisky lover and can't go without your tipple. What would you do?
Either give up the Whisky, or seek a country which has a belief/law of land that matches your needs... that needs to apply here...

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

Dead right again. Which probably means that most of us realise, subconsciously or tacitly that the wearing of the Burka is not actually the wearers choice whereas the donning of a Balaclava and Full face Helmet would alert us to suspect motives.

What if it was bloody cold..... then a Balaclava is a sensible idea..