Uluru at peace.

What’s done is done. Move on.

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Originally Posted by biggin

I’m sure Johntins understands perfectly.
How can calling someone ignorant not be offensive?

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It's fine by me. Offence cannot be given, it can only be taken, and I chose not to. However, It's not me who's ignorant. These so called 'traditional owners" main tradition was not to "own" anything at all. They were stone age nomads for 40,000 years. These days a "flag" is attributed to them, but that "flag" was designed in 1972 by an artist, and his estate still charges for the use of it. The people it is supposed to represent had no idea of "Nation". They were tribal, and often attacked other tribes if they encountered them.

I repeat. I respect them, those real ones( I even hate using the term "them" for other people ). I also respect those that I have encountered in my travels, they seem to me to be people the same as me, with troubles and triumphs. I've never cared about skin colour, and in fact got a tiny bit of fame once for standing up for a black West Indian man that some racist moron bouncers would not let into a crappy Brisbane night club. I made the news.

I don't respect people who trade on a past that likely didn't exist.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Who here would knowingly trample over graves?

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Are you saying that massive monolith is a headstone?? Can you point me to any Aboriginal graveyard? Was there a "tradition" of burial amongst the tribes? Graves are a European tradition ( in the context of Australia, I'm aware that other cultures also have this tradition, but the Aborigines did not).

I'm serious. Which tribe is Uluru sacred to? All of them? Most tribes never saw the thing.
Now we're going to change the name of the Yarra, because some modern "traditional owner" says it was called something different 200 years ago. Who told him/her/zie?

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Originally Posted by stealth

I was there in April and climbed it.
I have no doubt whatsoever that it will be open to climb again in the future. But I’ll bet by then you will not be allowed to climb it for free.
Then again the world ends in less than 12 years so what will it matter.

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Yep. Like the platform over the Grand Canyon. $$$$$

i wonder what the chinese will do when they take over?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

from what ive seen, anyone with a different opinion to bob, he'll call ignorant.

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Funny how one can swing from ignorant to informed, depending on topic.

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Originally Posted by Fatso

There is always Mount Augustus in WA , a rock twice as big as Uluru , with a climbing trail called Summit Trail for anyone fit enough to do it roughly about 12K return climb . [smilebigeye]

Also known as Burringurrah by the local Wajarri People .

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Think I mentioned Mt Augustus in my original, controversial as usual. post. Seems though that Uluru is a monolith, whereas Mt Augustus in a monocline. I'm not sure of the difference, but maybe the "traditional owners" are.

Do the Wajarri mind if you climb it?

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Originally Posted by johntins

These so called 'traditional owners" main tradition was not to "own" anything at all.

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Not quite true as clans claimed territory as their own and the borders were understood by neighbouring clans - any one caught on neighbouring clans land without an invitation usually got the chop and sometimes eaten.

While different in the way modern peoples do things - similar basic rules still applied.

Garry

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i wonder what the chinese will do when they take over?

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Name change...…………."Ururu". Wow, a palindrome!

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

And there is another issue that has been raised, repeatedly, with respect to Churches, wasn't going to raise it, but can't help myself, so I will, and I will be specific, so there can be no doubt.
I am a practicing Anglican, and so that everyone is in no doubt, that does not make me any better, or any worse, than anybody else.
When ANYONE enters an Anglican Church, the whole building is consecrated, holy/sacred ground, whatever you want to call it, no area within the building is any more "sacred" than another. It is all consecrated. And ANYONE is welcome to enter ANY part of the building/consecrated area. There are NO restrictions,.....we welcome anyone,.....whether you "believe" or not.
To be local, so that you can "test" this, & so relate to anyone travelling around country Victoria etc, if you like to enter any Country Anglican Churches as we do, to check ém out!!,... you will find no restrictions,....you can go anywhere, and it is ALL consecrated, or in other's words, Sacred...but you are welcome ANYWHERE in that building.
Now, as far as larger Churches are concerned, say St Paul's Cathedral Melbourne, the whole building is sacred/consecrated, TO US. We understand it may not be "Sacred" to everyone, but nevertheless, we welcome EVERYONE, whether they "believe" or not. Are there "restricted" areas?....Yes, there are, but they are not "restricted" for reasons of belief/sacred, history etc etc,.....they are simply "restricted" because there are valuable items stored in the vicinity, gold, silver, antique items,alcohol, all sorts of stuff.
Nothing to do with anything else, apart from the obvious fact that some items have monetary value, & in line with common sense, whether these items are in a jewelry shop, bank, or whatever, these items have to be protected from "light fingers",....nothing more, nothing less.
Pickles.

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Wonderful. In recent posts we spoke of Nevil Shute books. One that wasn't mentioned was "Round The Bend", which told of an aero engineer who was religious. He wasn't of any particular faith, he was just religious. He would attend any church or temple or shrine that the locals used. All Churches, Mosques, Temples and Shrines welcomed him.