Nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Our entire economic system is based on something that is unsustainable.
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Nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Our entire economic system is based on something that is unsustainable.
as long as the population is increasing, financial growth can keep occurring.
The planet can't sustain an increasing population..Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
There will be wars over water soon enough.
Wrong thread
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Originally Posted by ChookD2
Nah, it'd be a "trigger warning". Lawyers love those.
G'day Ian. I see a sense of history after all.... Or is it a sense of humour? I was conceived not too long from your immacculatedness ( can't make the spelling work on that one but I remember the closeness of our birth, lol), so I guess the same applies to you[wink11]. Neither here nor there.Quote:
Originally Posted by V8Ian
G'day all,
As usual my knowledge about Australia is limited, but reading this forum it is increasing steadily :) I do not know what a HEC is but I guess it is something like what we call a Study Finance. (literal translation) When I, was young our country had decided you could go to university almost for free. Most of the money you got was a gift. When we got 10th year students who were very good at lifting beer glasses they figured out that a part of the money you got would become a loan that would be nullified once you graduated and after that they put a max on the time you could take for your studies. By the time I got to go study the real loans came.
When I look at my brother, who is 11 years younger, he got his degree pretty much without any permanent loans but he was lucky that my parents paid a LOT, most people are not that lucky. The problem we have now is that a university degree has become pretty much useless since too many people have one, a leftover from the time "anyone" could get one. Most people now get into huge student debts (in the US it's pretty bad) to get an education that was sold as your golden ticket to success but no longer is.
Agreed that the educational system has been fine tuned to push out people that can enter the work force and not to actually educate people. I would have thought with what I just typed above that most people would have a broad generic knowledge like what you would get with a classical education but alas. We can see the results of this in our current society where the "young" are insisting on making the same mistakes of our ancestors. We could learn from the past but since that does not pop up on a 5" screen or on facebook, it is not happening and schools are no longer interested in teaching that stuff since that does not bring in the money.
Educational levels are dictated by the lowest common denominator.
Do I blame boomers? yes sometimes. Is it their fault in itself? I don't think so. As a late gen X'er who grew up in a very progressive manner, so I do have some millennial traits, I do feel sometimes that the generation before me got it all and the generation after me will get it all and we are paying for all of it.
Allow me to give one example:
A baby boomer grew up with the car being "holy" and could drive and do whatever they wanted (all things being equal). By now they run into the same problems we do because "environment" etc but they are pensioners mostly and some exceptions in cities ignored, you can still drive pretty much whatever you want and you probably can until you have to turn in your license due to age. We are also led to believe they caused most of the pollution.
Millennials are not interested in cars it seems and will inherit a clean earth with wonderful transportation (or so the pipe dream goes) and I wish them the best with that but there is a generation in between who will have to make it all happen...
We need to clean the earth and pay through the nose and get nothing in return.
This is an exaggeration of course and I really have 0 problems with boomers ;) but I do feel that is what X'ers are doing, working hard biting their lip.
Just my 2c
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Originally Posted by rick130
No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. The planet is in no trouble whatsoever. It has managed for 4.5,000.000.000 years, and it will continue to do so until the sun dies, which it will. Water may become vapour, or it may become ice, depending on the sun. Every weather pattern you have ever seen is no more than a fly speck on a graph. What will change is that man will cease. Wow! Dinosaurs ruled for 165, 000,000 years, and we'll manage less than 100,000, most in the last 10.00? Are you serious? ( BTW, the climate changed FAR more in that time than it ever will in ours ). Man will cease. Deal with it. It won't be tomorrow, it may not be for millennia, but so what? It will happen. The planet won't care.
Men have gone to war over weather before, and they will again. In the scheme of things it won't make any difference. "The planet" can sustain, but it will choose which population will survive. And it won't be us, and it's an amazing arrogance to suggest it will. We are a drop in a bucket, and it's wise to remember that. You will get to see your grandkids though, this stuff ain't fast.
This planet does not care about us. Why would it? It didn't care about the dinosaurs, it didn't care about the primordial soup, and it certainly didn't care about Uluru ( sorry, Bob and Ian ).
We have absolutely no influence on any of this at all. If you disagree with this you are probably mad, or you have a money making agenda... Or, of course, I'm wrong....
Persuade me....
G'day, Prelude. Let me start by saying that your English is far better than my Dutch. We don't tend to be multilingual here, although maybe we should given the different cultures we have, but we were never compelled to in the way you were in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by prelude
I am going to take some time to read what you have written, and then respond as best I can. I'm sure you will know one thing; "when writing or speaking another language, context is imperative". Now, if only I could say that in Dutch.... Oh, by the way, I'm a Boomer.. So what? I'm a person.
[QUOTE=johntins;2951062]No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. The planet is in no trouble whatsoever. It has managed for 4.5,000.000.000 years, and it will continue to do so until the sun dies, which it will. Water may become vapour, or it may become ice, depending on the sun. Every weather pattern you have ever seen is no more than a fly speck on a graph. What will change is that man will cease. Wow! Dinosaurs ruled for 165, 000,000 years, and we'll manage less than 100,000, most in the last 10.00? Are you serious? ( BTW, the climate changed FAR more in that time than it ever will in ours ). Man will cease. Deal with it. It won't be tomorrow, it may not be for millennia, but so what? It will happen. The planet won't care.
Men have gone to war over weather before, and they will again. In the scheme of things it won't make any difference. "The planet" can sustain, but it will choose which population will survive. And it won't be us, and it's an amazing arrogance to suggest it will. We are a drop in a bucket, and it's wise to remember that. You will get to see your grandkids though, this stuff ain't fast.
This planet does not care about us. Why would it? It didn't care about the dinosaurs, it didn't care about the primordial soup, and it certainly didn't care about Uluru ( sorry, Bob and Ian ).
We have absolutely no influence on any of this at all. If you disagree with this you are probably mad, or you have a money making agenda... Or, of course, I'm wrong....
Persuade me....[/QUOT
. First up, I don't intend to persuade any one who is obviously just trolling for effect. Let me start by saying 96% of the Earths water is in the Oceans. I'll let you find out the distribution of the rest. I'll post a link detailing 8 areas of the World where water is/has been fought over, or will be in the future. These are the chapters in the link. Mesopotamian war , Turkey Vs ISIS, Yangtze and the Mekong, Congo and the Nile, Afghanistan dries up, India and Pakistan, Israel and Palestine. The rest I refuse to respond to, it is based on ignorance. And ignorance is what got us into this mess in the first place. You'll have to excuse my abruptness, but I'm not in the mood to pussyfoot around.
The World Will Soon be at War Over Water