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    Pretty sure 3000 kg starting to skip on corrugations would be no fun, or in low range on a slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoKym View Post
    I was looking as they are new and look at the towing ratings of most cars to give me a guide.

    I downloaded the brochure to read it and found the off road weight rating.

    Makes you wonder who knows more Land Rover at 1000kg or Hulux at 3500Kg off road.

    I have towed 2750kg on road and wouldn't like to tow it off road.
    I'm pretty sure all manufacturers only recommend 1000kg off road.

    Just so you know, the Land Rover Discovery 4 is the only vehicle that can truely tow 3500kg, because as you add weight to the D4, the towing capacity does not lower, so if you load your D4 to it's max GVM of 3240kg, you can still tow 3500kg, no other vehicle on the market can do this

    Anyway, we tow a lot off road, I know you see the shows and vidoes where they tow more than 2000kg off road(All4adventure show comes to mind) and it would be fairly easy to do this, but why would you, it's fine on plain gravel roads(not classed as offroad) but you have to remember, the vehicles in these shows aren't their own vehicles, your vehicle has to last you and if you were to do what they do, how long would your vehicle last towing all that weight over time on long trips.

    Just something to mull over.
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    Check your handbook - it should have a table of towing and other weights. LR usually recommends a lower figure off road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redback View Post
    I'm pretty sure all manufacturers only recommend 1000kg off road.

    Just so you know, the Land Rover Discovery 4 is the only vehicle that can truely tow 3500kg, because as you add weight to the D4, the towing capacity does not lower, so if you load your D4 to it's max GVM of 3240kg, you can still tow 3500kg, no other vehicle on the market can do this

    Anyway, we tow a lot off road, I know you see the shows and vidoes where they tow more than 2000kg off road(All4adventure show comes to mind) and it would be fairly easy to do this, but why would you, it's fine on plain gravel roads(not classed as offroad) but you have to remember, the vehicles in these shows aren't their own vehicles, your vehicle has to last you and if you were to do what they do, how long would your vehicle last towing all that weight over time on long trips.

    Just something to mull over.
    There are some cases where the GCM does not equal the GVM + ATM, in these cases you can get the situation where you have to balance your load between tow vehicle and trailer. This becomes an issue with pig trailers where the tow ball or pintle hook load has to be subtracted from the payload of the tow vehicle, usually there is enough margin for a reasonable tow ball mass before you have to deduct mass from the tow vehicles payload. I have only one case in my experience where the transmission of the tow vehicle limited the GCM so that mass had to be taken off the tow vehicle to be able to utilise the maximum allowable ATM. I have not experienced this situation with passenger vehicles. Therefore am surprised to hear you say that the D4 is the only vehicle that does not have to balance load between tow vehicle and trailer, I thought it would be too complicated for the average punter to have to do such mental gymnastics.
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    Maybe we're expecting too much out of what really is a smallish motor allready pushing 2 tonnes. Just because it's a v8 doesn't mean it's powerfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug_burner View Post
    There are some cases where the GCM does not equal the GVM + ATM, in these cases you can get the situation where you have to balance your load between tow vehicle and trailer. This becomes an issue with pig trailers where the tow ball or pintle hook load has to be subtracted from the payload of the tow vehicle, usually there is enough margin for a reasonable tow ball mass before you have to deduct mass from the tow vehicles payload. I have only one case in my experience where the transmission of the tow vehicle limited the GCM so that mass had to be taken off the tow vehicle to be able to utilise the maximum allowable ATM. I have not experienced this situation with passenger vehicles. Therefore am surprised to hear you say that the D4 is the only vehicle that does not have to balance load between tow vehicle and trailer, I thought it would be too complicated for the average punter to have to do such mental gymnastics.
    GCM for the Land Rover Discovery 4 is 6740kg.
    Cheers Baz.

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    I read somewhere the big issues of off road towing weight is down loads on the towbar.

    Imagine being on the top of a sand hill, car one side and trailer the other side. You now have just about the whole weight of the trailer pulling down on the towbar. The towbar is rated for say 300kg down load but now has a download closer to 2000kg of your 3000kg off road trailer.

    Makes sense when you put it like that...

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    Clarification on towing off road

    Thanks to you all for your valued contributions on this thread. I am new to this site as I am about to buy my first defender 110 TD5 wagon. I have driven 90’s for may years in the RAF. But now I’m here in Australia I want to explore more of the country. I have always wanted a TD5 and I am looking a getting a Blackseries Sergeant camper trailer with weight 1020kg and ATM 1500kg. I will only be going on light off road camping. So no heavy off-road unless trailer detached but am interested in going to a few remote camp sites. After reading the advice you guys have commented on am I correct that I should not have any problems with my proposed setup as long as I keep to those figures? I will have electric brakes on the trailer, so is this classed as fully coupled brakes to give me the max off road pulling weight of 1500kg. If any of you have any other advice, I would welcome your comments. Thanks...

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