Thread: LR Rims & Control Rider Suspension - the saga continues - arrrrgh

Ye old double post syndrome

Are they using a standard Al-Ko brake drum with thier suspension?

I've fitted Defender alloy rims to 10" duel bearing drums.
To do it we had to have a slip ring machined to fit the rims and the drum was machined to suit.
I also had the correct studs fitted so the Land Rover nuts are used.

AL-KO Electric Drum Brakes


3/4 of the way down this page is interesting...
http://www.alko.com.au/vehicle-techn...c-brake-drums/

Thanks Kyle - interesting, especially as I specified 3.5T max (which I guess is 2.0 or 2.5T per axle) AND 12" electric brakes. I'll keep your info on hand until they respond to my questions. Cheers

In my experience , it is problematic to fit or hubs as al-Ko will de-rate the load capacity .
3.5 t is a big van - generally to fit lr hubs they will use slimline bearings and a max cap of 600kg a hub , the hubs will need to be machined down . So , less "meat"
Or use parallel bearings which can be rated a lot higher , but the studs n nuts will need to be genuine .

If it were me and what I recommend to my customers is -
" go with Toyota or Nissan 5 or 6 stud , they are standard , parts are easily replaced if required , ask at Mt dare for a Land Rover hub or stud/nut and it's a long wait "

No offence but there is a reason why it's done that way , carry extra tyre carcasses if required , don't believe the hype on matching wheels etc - from a resale perspective your market is exceptionally limited .
Except to aulro members of course !


Take all of the above with a grain of salt if you disagree .

Read your post again ,
Could be the centre bore is an issue .
Ask some questions ,
Are the wheels load rated ? What is it .(liability)
Which bearing sets are they using al-Ko use good jap or us bearings - the ones you need will suit a 65mm axle
Could be a stud issue , size and spacing - again liability .

Truthfully will you be towing a 3.5 t behemoth "off road " it will be a big unit - like towing a block of flats ��

I'm curious to know what the issue is.

Defender alloys EASILY fit over all the Alko hubs, including parallel bearings.

I am going to assume they've stuffed up and made the axles too narrow (to suit toyota offset) and have decided that's your problem...

Ahhhh mr lr , an option I hadn't considered .

A good point , well made , add that one to the question list .

I'd echo Rex's and Will's comments.

Unless there is a specific reason (like a defender becoming the tug in the forward planning) then if D2 rims don't fit then go for the most common option with respect to stud patterns.

But having been spannered by offset myself when changing the rims on my trailer and having to go for a longer axle, I think Will may be on the money.

I also has a similar problem when the trailer was originally built. They forgot to fit wider guards and when I went to pick it up the wheels were proud of the mud guards. A small discussion ensued and the end result was they had to build me another trailer and sell first with narrow rims.

Cheers

Steve

Thanks for all the comments. I too think they have well and truly stuffed up unless their most recent comments are valid as copied below. The LR Def alloys do have a smaller centre than 124 mm, albeit being some distance from the stub axle/brakes - about 90mm ? from dim memory.
At the end of the day, it's their problem to fix, and ironically I'm in to hurry to take possession following my knee replacement op!! I might have to prevail on one of the many Melb aurlo gurus to straighten them out - a bit far to walk from here!

"The main reason why the wheel won't fit, is the snout on our hub drum is 93mm from the face to the end of the grease cap.
Now when we go to fit the hub to the wheel, we have to knock out the centre cap of the wheel for the grease cap to protrude through.
When doing that the grease cap then fouls on the centre hole of the wheel, so the centre hole of the wheel has to be machined bigger.

If the customer wants to make the centre hole bigger that's fine, but I'm not going to tamper with that. And I don't think you guys will either.

Secondly, we have to use the melb tr. 2 piece hub drum to do the stud pattern, which means you ( GnS ) have to make the control rider susp with these drums. Which means different stub axles as well.

Also the Land rover wheels come in 2 offsets 1, 33mm positive and 2, 57mm positive. When speaking with Salv Monday he said you make the susp to suit a 0 offset wheel."

I've told them that worst case scenario, I can access a set of LR D1/RRC/Defender 16" steelies with 124mm centre hole, or a set of RRC aftermarket 15" alloys also with 124mm centre hole but unknown offset. Not the best look though.
The van will actually be under 3T loaded, but registered for 3.5T just in case