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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    Pretty sure the D1 and D2 are rated 1000kg above that, braked.
    Irrespective of what the Landrover is capable of, a trailer wit an ATM of 750kg or over must be braked.


    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    My experience with coppers is that they have a sheet to work from, and like robots they will work through every bullet point.

    My D2 has been on two Nationwide trucks in the last week, and yes, overstrap each wheel. I wonder how they would go if I asked them to tow a 2.7 tonne Disco without dampers. Those little Isuzus that they drive might get a shock if a Disco started to bounce. I'd want a strap or two tying down the car. Most of the mass is in the sprung, not the unsprung. But what do I know?
    I would love to see the legislation that states each wheel must be overstrapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    The “she’ll be right mate” attitude coming through in this thread is ****ing disturbing!!!
    Welcome to Australia...

    Seriously though I would much prefer to use my tray truck for this but it’s off the road at the moment until I get time to rebuild the brakes on it as it’s downright dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Irrespective of what the Landrover is capable of, a trailer wit an ATM of 750kg or over must be braked.




    I would love to see the legislation that states each wheel must be overstrapped.

    Colmoore posted the strap thing, Mick. I merely observed that Nationwide seemed to be observing it. AFAIK, the Load Restraints Guide has not been updated since 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    Colmoore posted the strap thing, Mick. I merely observed that Nationwide seemed to be observing it. AFAIK, the Load Restraints Guide has not been updated since 2004.
    I'd still love to see the legislation no matter who posts it up.
    I suspect it might be another "rated shackles" myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    I'd still love to see the legislation no matter who posts it up.
    I suspect it might be another "rated shackles" myth.
    http://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/...F8).pdf#page93
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    Look away, Tombie, Look away. It was ever thus.

    In my defence, the incident I reported was over 40 years ago... Made any mistakes yourself in that time??
    Plenty. But a mistake is an error.

    Willingly and knowingly putting an overloaded, unbraked, non compliant load onto public roads..

    Different kettle of fish Weight balancing hire car trailers.

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    Just as I thought, It is a guide only. It's not actually enforceable legislation.
    The Load Restraint Guide
    provides examples of
    how to restrain loads to
    meet those forces.
    It is intended to be
    used as a guide only,
    as it is impossible to be
    prescriptive for the many
    different types, weights
    and shapes of loads that
    can be transported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Plenty. But a mistake is an error.

    Willingly and knowingly putting an overloaded, unbraked, non compliant load onto public roads..

    Different kettle of fish Weight balancing hire car trailers.
    Who said it was unbraked? Or overloaded, by the regs of the time? Not even sure it was non compliant, in 1978. What it WAS was a learning curve, one that I survived. One reason I posted it here was for folks to look and learn.

    What I saw today was a Kiosk system to absolve the hire company of all liability for any accident/injury/death due to the incompetence of the hirer. It is, in fact, appalling that a newly licenced driver can hire a trailer like a car transporter with no experience or training whatsoever. At no time did the counter jerk come out and see if I had done even one thing properly. Perhaps my MC Licence reassured him, but I doubt it, as all he checked was if the last four digits matched those of the DL I used for the online booking.
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    Weight balancing hire car trailers.

    John. I was referring to the more recent hauling events some are speaking of.

    Yes, 40 years ago there was very little regulation and you learned a lot.
    Thankfully you or others around you didn’t learn the hard way that time.

    This is Australia 2018, we’re all enlightened individuals are we not?

    Our local hire guy has a great set up.

    His trailers are rated to take a full size 4wd.
    Have on board electric brakes so any vehicle with working brake wiring works.

    When hiring, he comes out to see what you’re towing with, what you intend to haul, gets it written down and signed for on the contract. If you show up in a hatch back you won’t be getting more than his 6x4.

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    Defender's are rated to tow 3500kg.
    Trailers should be set up to almost balance, with no more than 10% towball weight.
    Personally, any trailer bigger than a simple box trailer should have electric brakes, I reckon.
    I once saw an accident where a trailer went out of control and sent a tinny through the windscreen of an oncoming car, decapitating the driver. Not pretty.

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