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    Quote Originally Posted by cjc_td5 View Post
    The front of your trailer is open? Could you tack weld or clamp on a length or 2 of 50x100 RHS across the front on top of the A frame to allow the front axle to come a bit further forward? (Removing the spare tyre of course.)
    Yes, thanks Chris, similar to what I'm doing, but a bit more permanent. just come back from shops with cutoff wheels and some 50x50 x3 . will make the trailer a bit more useful long term if it can also carry a 109 .

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    If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
    Plod is only attracted by visual.
    I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
    He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    Somehow I scored 2 x Series 3 Traybacks for a silly low price online without giving any thought about what I might do with them, where I might store them or how I might collect them from 350km away.

    I went to a hire place but find that all car trailers 1200kg only, because of their over-ride brakes.
    I towed my Dormobile home on a rental trailer from Koonoomoo.....allegedly.
    Over the max weight for the trailer and all up probably over the max towing weight of the Territory (2.3 tonnes)
    I was warned by the seller not to go through Cobram because the local policeman was hot on trailers/weight/shackles etc.

    Towed like a dream......

    The problem is now resolved :-
    A while ago I inherited a trailer that my father-in-law had made for towing a Suzuki Jimney behind his motorhome. It's too narrow for anything other than a Jimney or a Series I, II or III.
    I added a 1/2metre on the front & back so a LWB will fit.
    Someone recently borrowed it to collect a Series I, they took it over a weighbridge and from memory it was 1950kg (rated to 2 tonne so just under) with the Series I onboard.
    Some details here 1956 Series 1 with PTO welder (home made)

    Which way are you heading to collect the Land Rover ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
    He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
    There was an article in the RACV magazine some years back that stated a rated shackle isn't a legal requirement.
    Is there anything in writing that states they are needed ??

    Mind you, they are so cheap that you'd be foolish to not fit them and attract the attention of the police anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
    Plod is only attracted by visual.
    I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
    He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
    Terry
    Good tip, but I'm blind at night.

    My shackles are rated but not yellow, I better spray mine .

    I suppose one saving grace is at least, behind the Iveco the load wont look too big.


    OK, with an arrangement like this mock-up, parking the 109 front wheel forward of the old trailer 'front' the rear wheel of the 109 is only 1" behind where the rear 88" wheel was . Arrows are where front wheel was parked before. Rear overhang will be just within spec, So honky dory . The drawbar is going to look a bit short is all, need to be careful reversing not to crunch guards on Iveco spare wheels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I towed my Dormobile home on a rental trailer from Koonoomoo.....allegedly.
    Over the max weight for the trailer and all up probably over the max towing weight of the Territory (2.3 tonnes)
    I was warned by the seller not to go through Cobram because the local policeman was hot on trailers/weight/shackles etc.

    Towed like a dream......

    The problem is now resolved :-
    A while ago I inherited a trailer that my father-in-law had made for towing a Suzuki Jimney behind his motorhome. It's too narrow for anything other than a Jimney or a Series I, II or III.
    I added a 1/2metre on the front & back so a LWB will fit.
    Someone recently borrowed it to collect a Series I, they took it over a weighbridge and from memory it was 1950kg (rated to 2 tonne so just under) with the Series I onboard.
    Some details here 1956 Series 1 with PTO welder (home made)
    Nice job converting that mobile carport into a trailer,
    Mine is also too narrow for anything but a Series, thats not a bad thing either .

    I have a 2000kg s-type load cell, which measures the weight on top of a jack, just waiting on a display to make myself a DIY 'weigh bridge'.


    Which way are you heading to collect the Land Rover ??

    Colin

    They are 400km south west of here, (I would probably not have bought them if I realised it was that far), The farm is south west so I won't have to go through Cobram, thanks for the tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
    Plod is only attracted by visual.
    I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
    He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
    Terry
    There is no legislation that requires shackles to be rated anyway, so you couldnít have been pinged but just easier to use them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    There is no legislation that requires shackles to be rated anyway, so you couldnít have been pinged but just easier to use them.
    Yes the legislation does not require "rated" shackles but does say something along the lines that shackles must be of suitable strength/capacity to do the job. The usual cop out. Why not just legislate a rating and include "rated" in the description of the shackle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
    Plod is only attracted by visual.
    I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
    He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
    Terry
    Really? there is no laws that say you must have rated D shackles. If you buy 4ton working rated shackles they will likely not fit in any trailer chains or hitches.

    I've never owned a rated shackle in my life. Probably never will.

    If the car fits, I reckon he'll be fine. The motor, 'box, transfer case is all forward of the axles, so I can't see how it isn't going to be VERY nose heavy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Really? there is no laws that say you must have rated D shackles. If you buy 4ton working rated shackles they will likely not fit in any trailer chains or hitches.

    I've never owned a rated shackle in my life. Probably never will.

    If the car fits, I reckon he'll be fine. The motor, 'box, transfer case is all forward of the axles, so I can't see how it isn't going to be VERY nose heavy

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    Youíre correct, a 4T shackle wonít fit but you donít need a 4T for a 3.5T van. Iím pretty sure you only need a 0.75T WLL shackle as itís minimum breaking force is 4.5T (working on 6x the WLL)

    A properly set up trailer requires the chains to keep the draw bar off the road if the hitch comes away from the ball. Nearly all I see fail this test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W&KO View Post
    Youíre correct, a 4T shackle wonít fit but you donít need a 4T for a 3.5T van. Iím pretty sure you only need a 0.75T WLL shackle as itís minimum breaking force is 4.5T (working on 6x the WLL)

    A properly set up trailer requires the chains to keep the draw bar off the road if the hitch comes away from the ball. Nearly all I see fail this test.
    I imagine the unrated (chinese crap) shackles would not break ... they would bend and twist though. So long as the failure isn't decoupling, I don't really care if the crappy chinese shackle needs to be cut off with an angle grinder because its bent

    Given the number of uncoupled trailers and caravans you hear of, I'm pretty sure this is all a non-event either way.

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