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    240V electrical work in Vans

    A question for the Licensed Electricians. I believe I know the answer but would like to hear it from someone WITH a ticket. On a caravan FB page I was reading about replacing the mains input point on their van. The usual suspects said "just do it ". After some discussion on legalities, someone stated that a license was not required to perform 240V work on caravans and transportable buildings in Victoria (at least).

    Can anyone clarify ??
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    Now where is Gav when you need him??

    For others,in Qld,yes definitely needs to be done by a licensed electrician.

    I bet VIC is the same.
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    This is the general story.

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    Technically a caravan is considered an appliance in Victoria so no, you don’t need to be licensed to do anything to them - ESV (Energy Safe Victoria) generally don’t want to know about anything that’s not hardwired to the mains. There is also no safety checks required on wiring or gas in Vic to register a van - it’s just treated as any other trailer. As long as the rear lights work, that’s pretty much it...

    Having said that, I would strongly recommend using a Licensed Electrician to do the work, but I would say that wouldn’t I.

    While changing an inlet on a van is pretty easy to do, would the DIY’er then check the health of the rest of the vans wiring after completing the work? I would.

    As for transportable buildings, they are almost exclusively hard wired in Victoria so needs to be done by a Sparky and all wiring up to the applicable Standards - there’s about 3 of them that these fall under. Also need to be elec tested when on sites too, so I’d put them in a whole different category.

    The comment regarding not using licensed people to wire up vans is correct - they pay their labour’s to do it. Most new vans wiring wouldn’t pass inspection if this was required - I’ve seen some pretty ordinary work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Technically a caravan is considered an appliance in Victoria so no, you don’t need to be licensed to do anything to them - ESV (Energy Safe Victoria) generally don’t want to know about anything that’s not hardwired to the mains. There is also no safety checks required on wiring or gas in Vic to register a van - it’s just treated as any other trailer. As long as the rear lights work, that’s pretty much it...

    Having said that, I would strongly recommend using a Licensed Electrician to do the work, but I would say that wouldn’t I.

    While changing an inlet on a van is pretty easy to do, would the DIY’er then check the health of the rest of the vans wiring after completing the work? I would.

    As for transportable buildings, they are almost exclusively hard wired in Victoria so needs to be done by a Sparky and all wiring up to the applicable Standards - there’s about 3 of them that these fall under. Also need to be elec tested when on sites too, so I’d put them in a whole different category.

    The comment regarding not using licensed people to wire up vans is correct - they pay their labour’s to do it. Most new vans wiring wouldn’t pass inspection if this was required - I’ve seen some pretty ordinary work.
    My folks vans they used to build had to have gas compliance for them prior to rego, they also came with a non prescribed certificate for electrical, not sure if this was mandatory or not. I do recall seeing an A.S book there for wiring of caravans etc...Might see if they still have it.

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    IN vic and QLD for van that do not generate their own power anyone with a restricted electrical can replace an existing plug/socket assembly But only with a like for like item.
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    Doesn’t Victoria abide by the same Australian Standard (AS/NZS 3001:2008) as the rest of the country

    The standard sets out requirements for electrical installations associated with transportable structures and vehicles that are intended for connection to low-voltage a.c. supply systems (i.e. exceeding 50V a.c. but not exceeding 1000V a.c.)

    The Standard uses the term ‘transportable structure’ which includes both vehicles and structures with or without wheels that can readily be moved from one site to another either under their own motive power or by some other means

    Transportable buildings that are hard wired come under AS/NZS3000:2018
    They do not require double pole switching as they will be hard wired on site by a licensed electrician ( hopefully)

    Transportable buildings that have an appliance inlet have to have double pole switching incase someone changes a plug top on an extension lead (something anybody is legally aloud to do) and gets the active and neutral crossed (easy to do, I’ve even seen electricians stuff it up)

    As with appliances, companies will get people without qualifications to do the wiring and have it (supposedly)inspected by an electrician

    In WA we have to put a notice in to Energy Safety and install a compliance certificate

    I have been told some caravan parks won’t let you get a powered site without first seeing the compliance certificate on the vehicle

    Any work on a low-voltage wiring system (between 50V - 1000V a.c. or 120V - 1500V d.c.) shouldn’t have anyone but a licensed trade person do any sort of work on it

    As Homestar said, would a DIYer check the rest of the wiring system ( or know what to check)

    Just remember people, Volts jolts, Current kills
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    IN vic and QLD for van that do not generate their own power anyone with a restricted electrical can replace an existing plug/socket assembly But only with a like for like item.
    In Queensland your restricted electrical license need to be endorsed with them type of equipment.

    Like for me I can only work on the electrical side of gas appliances. Not unless it changed in the last few years.

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    It’s like anything like this - how you interpret the regs. I speak to one of the ESV compliance officers quite a bit in my job about our equipment, I have discussed vans with him before and he wasn’t so bothered by them. Not saying I agree, just the way things seem to have been done.

    Vern - yes, new vans do come with a COES, but it isn’t a requirement to registering them in Vic, but other states I believe. If you looked at all of them I think you’d find one or 2 people sign off all the manufacturers here in Melbourne. The work isn’t conducted by a licensed person though, and the gas lines aren’t run by a Plumber either, but again signed off by one who does multiple manufacturers I believe. This is just one of MANY things wrong with the van industry IMO.

    Maybe one day when the ESV aren’t busy doing anything else they may clamp down on this, but they are woefully under resourced and generally target bigger things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
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    Maybe one day when the ESV aren’t busy doing anything else they may clamp down on this, but they are woefully under resourced and generally target bigger things.
    Although the Authorities aren't inspecting this a s a matter of course, I can guarantee an Electrical Inspector will form part of the prosecution team if anything serious was to go wrong, and then the installer/replacer would be asked questions like "Which code/part of the code did you rely to install the item? Which AS or similar standard did you test the installation to? Where is the documentation for the installation and testing? etc"
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