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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Khos, You do not have to take the plugs out in the photos. They are core plugs from the casting.
    re having no car. You will not do that again will you.
    Regards Philip A
    No , I won't do that again

    Quote Originally Posted by Rangier Rover View Post
    Yes very good advice This is why I'm getting another Rangie same as mine before I start on heavy mods.
    If you not up and running on 4 to 6 th I will bring a stiff bar down so we can move the Rangie and the Disco can be released.
    Ive got a spare running 3.5 here that would get you mobile wile you rebuild the 3.9 but not efi Won't have slots in ports for injectors. Is in a 82 2 Door with a buggered gear box.

    It Doesn't look it Tony , I've ordered a special Crowbar along with heap of other things and am going to keep trying to remove the intake Manifolds and the heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco_owner View Post
    No , I won't do that again




    It Doesn't look it Tony , I've ordered a special Crowbar along with heap of other things and am going to keep trying to try & remove the intake Manifolds and the heads.
    Sounds like it's not seeing your way of thinking They are a bit awkward to do in chassis So long as all is unbolted they should come with a block of wood and a heavy compact hamer
    Be carefull with the crowie as is tempting to shove down a port and then start teeth gritting untill something gives. They also can do a lot of damage when thrown in a rage of temper

    Good luck with it anyway.

    Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoverP6B View Post
    A standard 4.6 will transform your Discovery, even more especially if you fit a high torque camshaft at the same time.

    I have a custom ground high torque camshaft in my 4.6,...torque about pull!!

    Ron.
    Mate I have a 91 Disco with the 3.5 ltr and love it it has all the balls you need for a 4wd
    I often pull others out at the sand dunes
    they are already a high performance buick motor dont play too much or you will end up paying big dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marika View Post
    Mate I have a 91 Disco with the 3.5 ltr and love it it has all the balls you need for a 4wd
    I often pull others out at the sand dunes
    they are already a high performance buick motor dont play too much or you will end up paying big dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marika View Post
    Mate I have a 91 Disco with the 3.5 ltr and love it it has all the balls you need for a 4wd
    I often pull others out at the sand dunes
    they are already a high performance buick motor dont play too much or you will end up paying big dollars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rangier Rover View Post
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    Hey Khos,

    When we finally catch up I might just have the heads off mine. It's started to seep coolant out of the front of the passenger one and the rear to the drivers one and has now gone through about 5 litres of coolant in the past 3 weeks. It's not using oil though and there's no water in the oil, so I'm hoping I'll just be able to get away with giving the heads a once over and a new set of gaskets. Then again.... I do have some really nice alloy die grinder tips and a bigger cam would..... hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxer View Post
    Hey Khos,

    When we finally catch up I might just have the heads off mine. It's started to seep coolant out of the front of the passenger one and the rear to the drivers one and has now gone through about 5 litres of coolant in the past 3 weeks. It's not using oil though and there's no water in the oil, so I'm hoping I'll just be able to get away with giving the heads a once over and a new set of gaskets. Then again.... I do have some really nice alloy die grinder tips and a bigger cam would..... hmmm
    Hey Boxer, the composite gaskets can do this, I would replace with steel shim type as they will also give better compression being a little thinner...

    JC
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    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    Seep? 5 litres?
    That's more like pour.
    Hey Boxer, the composite gaskets can do this, I would replace with steel shim type as they will also give better compression being a little thinner...
    I am afraid I do not agree with this.
    You have to have a really good head and block surface for tin gaskets to work so you will have to skim the heads.
    Second the difference in thickness is pretty great (about 38 thou) and I think you will have trouble with the end seals on the valley gasket.
    I have taken 50 thou off my tin heads and fitted composites, which is equivalent of 20 thou off the heads, and I do not seem to be able to get a good seal. I keep on splitting the rubber seals.
    True my new composites drool a bit at the ends , usually as a result of hard work on a hot day, but I have used <100cc in about 25-30KK. I changed from tin to composites as my tin gaskets failed by seeping at the end.
    Its seems its the same regardless of gasket type. I think the only fix would be to surface the block as I know they bend as they age.
    Regard sPhilip A

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Seep? 5 litres?
    That's more like pour.

    I am afraid I do not agree with this.
    You have to have a really good head and block surface for tin gaskets to work so you will have to skim the heads.
    Second the difference in thickness is pretty great (about 38 thou) and I think you will have trouble with the end seals on the valley gasket.
    I have taken 50 thou off my tin heads and fitted composites, which is equivalent of 20 thou off the heads, and I do not seem to be able to get a good seal. I keep on splitting the rubber seals.
    True my new composites drool a bit at the ends , usually as a result of hard work on a hot day, but I have used <100cc in about 25-30KK. I changed from tin to composites as my tin gaskets failed by seeping at the end.
    Its seems its the same regardless of gasket type. I think the only fix would be to surface the block as I know they bend as they age.
    Regard sPhilip A
    PHillip,

    I have found that the quality of these seals has deteriated, IE the suppliers/ manufacturers seem to have made them too thick now. Even with composite head gaskets they split, so using a razor blade I carefully shave a bit off the wedge bit on the end so it has less crush when the intake manifold etc is tightened down. Obviously a dob of quality sealant is mandatory at each end of the valley seals. I do however use Composite valley gaskets, as these are great at sealing and have oval shaped holes for the bolts which helps with alignment.

    I don't use ANY composite head gaskets on 3.9's etc now, as I was sick of removing the heads and replacing with steel shim ones due to coolant leaks- for free And before anyone says anything, I did use genuine Elring composites etc. AND I fit the steel shim ones using Hylomar as per factory instructions. Most recent one I did was a 3.9 into a RRC used(Read THRASHED)for off road racing. No leaks and if anything is going to this one will as the block has done 250+k and All I did was clean it off in my usual manner and check with a straight edge, all OK.

    I'll continue to use steel ones until I see a problem, and this has been this way now for over 5 years.



    JC
    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    I note your experience with this as it is really seductive to get extra CR.


    How do you get over the port misalignment when using composite heads with tin gaskets. I originally bought a pair of composite heads to fit with tin gaskets , but when I looked at the relationship at the port tops I chickened out and fitted them with composites. You could skim the manifold but that would make the end seal problem worse and make the manifold unique to that setup..
    I also worked out that the composite heads were just tin heads with about 40 thou off the face. I suppose its only 40 thou but there is not much surface there. Also You would have to shim the rocker pedestals which is no big deal but anyone doing tin gasket should know its necessary.

    I still believe the fundamental problem with the water leaks is that the blocks bend over time. If I were to rebuild mine I would have it line bored and decked, as I had an old 3.5 in Saudi that would hardly turn with new bearings from the bend.
    Regard sPhilip A

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