John, I'll take a few pics Thursday and post them up.
John, I'll take a few pics Thursday and post them up.
John - I have some pics for you. By inner guard I am talking about the lip around the wheel arch - you said you do not have this on yours but my 101 has the lip still there - maybe yours has been ground off at some stage.
My point about moving the mudflaps out.
The front of the front wheel arch - you can see the rubber screwed to the lip in all pics
The back and top of the front wheel arch - note the lip goes all the way around
The rear wheel arch - the lip goes all the way around the wheel arch on the inside.
The front of the rear wheel arch - note how the front tyre sticks out past the standard rubber flare - I will need to widen these flares.
The top of the rear wheel arch
The rear of the rear wheel arch
Garry
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						Thanks for the photo's Garry.
For the rear wheels I think there are two possibilities:
1) My 101 is missing the folded back edge on the wheel arch top (horizontal) sections that allow you to rivet the rubber to, or;
2) Yours has an angle section rivetted to the U channel section in place of a folded back edge. If this was rivetted to the inside of the U channel you wouldn't see the rivet heads unless you put your head right inside the wheel arch and look up and out. This is the option for me if I don't want any rivet heads showing on the outer panel.
The front wheel arches themselves are fine, although the folded edge on the horizontal section is quite narrow (10mm?) and is angled about 120 degrees so the rubber will slope down.
The trouble areas are in front of the wheel arch to the front bumper and behind the wheel arch back to the mud flap bracket. These two sections each side do not have a folded back edge either and I cannot see a way to attach the rubber without first attaching an edge (90 degree angle) to the outer panel. No way to avoid rivet heads there, so I might as well take the easy approach at the rear and allow for rivet heads along the horizontal section above the wheel.
I've been a bit busy preparing my Dakar bike, so not much time to play with the 101 for a while. I did roll up the sides and take the dog for a drive along the firebreak this afternoon. I can't wait till I've got the time to get things sorted and get it registered.
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						Hiya Ron,
Thanks heaps for the link. It took me a while to get to where I needed to be but your photo's and explanation were perfect and confirmed exactly what I was thinking. The line of pop rivets along the wheel arch and below the tool box don't look too bad. I think I will use a 20mm flat aluminium bar to screw through, like Garry's, as I'm not keen on allowing for the small "droops" between the screw points as yours show - although that might be better now with the mudguard washers you mentioned.
I hadn't thought of the mud getting out from above the 20mm angle section so I have cut them full length. Lucky I read your stuff before rivetting them on, so now I'll break them up into smaller sections and allow for some "drain spaces". Thanks heaps for that!
I'm thinking of running the rubber flares a bit further forward of the rear arches to about the fuel tank point. Same at the front where I'm thinking of running the rubber flares right up to the front bumper bar.
Cheers
John B
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						It's been too long, so I sneakily took the 101 out for a drive around the neighbourhood. Great living in the country, although suburbia is getting waaay too close. I'm looking forward to getting stuck in to sorting out the wheel arch flares and rear seating maybe and getting it registered before summer comes along.
Hi John,
I will have to pop out and have a look at your 101. I have been away in a Fiji for 6 months and have bought a yacht and sailed it back . It's currently on the Gold Coast and we are packing up here in Perth to go sailing for a couple of years. I'm selling the Defer and possibly the 109 all the Ktm stuff etc.
Mike
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						Long time no hear captain Mike. If I'd known you were in the market for a hole in the surface of the ocean to pour money into I could have done a very good deal for you. Father in Law had a stroke and had to sell his beloved yacht and it just sold the other week for very, very much less than it was worth.
It sounds like a fantastic plan of yours though! Feel free to dump anything Landrover-ish or KTM-ish here - no guarantees it'll be here when/if you get back though.
Drop around some time for a catch up. I'll be keen to find out what's going on with the whole sailing thing. You still got my number?
Ciao
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						I spent a bit of time on the 101 today. Not too much because preparing my Dakar bike is still my priority for a while, but I couldn't help myself.
So this was my effort for this morning:
2mm aluminium in 20mm width gets either rivetted (or bolted in the case of the rear angled section of the wheel arch) through the 5 or 6 mm rubber to the body panel under-folds (or to a 20mm aluminium angle that's been rivetted to the body for the horizontal section at the top of the wheel arch).
I kept the flare to a minimum ...:
... and I hope the little bit of tyre that still sticks out is either acceptable or just a result of the truck being parked on a slope. I measured the tyre protrusion on the flat using a long straight edge held up against the outside of the tyre and measuring to the body from that. Now I'm scared to park it on the flat to check it in case I stuffed up somewhere
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One corner down, three to go!
Did the same to mine last weekend John, did the back first. 40 mm of flare is all that's needed, did 40mm at the front too and then realised the front track is about 1" wider than the rear. Hopefully it will be good enough for the pits.
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