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                                                4th July 2009, 04:50 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I checked the remaining shock travel on the rear to the axle anchor point with the rear wheel hanging in space and they were the same.
 therefore in a unladen state the short downwards travel of the rear shocks do not inhibit wheel travel...........but the stiff springs do.
 In a fully laden state there would be advantage in longer travel shocks , or disconnecting them.
 Therefore people who thinks their 101 will flex more with a load in it will be wrong as the front flexs well to the max unladen and the rear will not flex any more or less with or with out weight due to spring stiffness and and then shock travel when laden.
 The way to get more flex from a 101 is from the rear by both softer springs and longer travel springs.
 the problen is the twin leaf rear springs are extremely difficult and super expensive to reproduce in a softer version and there is also little rooom to find room for a longer shocker by moving exsiting shock mounts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                4th July 2009, 04:54 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					That is the end of todays lesson.
 the bright idea I came up with is to try and fit a set of the softer front springs on the rear and get equal flex that way.
 front and rear springs are different lenghts and so the quick end of a good idea.
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                                                5th July 2009, 12:06 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Gday ron
 
 After that initial chat we had i tried the same thing at work. i removed the shocks then put a bus lifter under one of the rear wheels and lifted it until it flexed and lifted the other rear wheel of the ground and yea the springs dont allow much travel. oh well back to the drawing board. but like you said i find the front works well off road. im waiting for my tax return then the rear will be getting a locker. got shown up by a landcruiser on weekend, didnt like that until i drove circles around him in deep water. but like you said i find the front works well off road. im waiting for my tax return then the rear will be getting a locker. got shown up by a landcruiser on weekend, didnt like that until i drove circles around him in deep water.
 
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                                                5th July 2009, 12:36 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I am thinking if the standard leaves can be ground down a bit to solfen them up abit.
 The problem is you need a spare set of springs to be game enough to try it.
 A set of front springs in the rear could fit with mods .......as the lenght is slightly shorter.(30mm)
 To get over the shocker travel problem if you do manage to get the rear to flex would mean longer shocks and the only way to get that would be by lifting the suspension a bit as so longer shocks would fit.
 It is in the too hard basket at present.
 A locker on the back makes all the difference as this is the end that is lifting.
 Gazz what way are you going....ARB or Detroit.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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					Gday ron
 
 Will go the detroit in the rear. was playing around with a aftermarket shock that we have for the buses and by cutting off the top pin and welding the ring on it still alows for  enough upward travel and plenty more downward. its the same diameter as the 101 shock. will get some pics and measurements during the week.
 
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                                                5th July 2009, 01:00 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Any info on the shocks would be good if you can post it.
 After having both the ARB and the Detroit .... they both have good and bad points.
 The detroit is a breeze to fit and requires no wiring or hoses etc.
 It does put more backlash in the drive line.
 Other wise it works great in the 101.
 I would be carefull with the detroit offroad with a fully loaded vehicle as to not to strain it ....ie carefull driving.
 The ARB is alot more work to fit .
 The Detroit shines in mud , snow and sand as it works without affecting steering.
 The ARB shines on rock work as you lock it in before you need it, whisle the Detroit may want to unlock and lock back in underload and therefore places strain on itself hopping over rocks etc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                5th July 2009, 01:06 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I am getting another ARB diff cover for the rear diff this time.
 As with these covers it is very easy to grind the bottom of the diff housings and it supprizing how easy it is to get a bit more clearence and do a big improvement in shape to the bottom of the housing for little time and effort.
 The main advantage of the cast iron cover is it will not leak oil or peel back back after the grinding sort of work.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                5th July 2009, 01:12 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					If all goes to plan Garrycol and my self will be going on a weekend run in our 101s and with alot of other landys and jeeps too).
 I will give him a go of my 101 with the lockers and different gear ratios with overdrive and see what he thinks.
 It will be a big run for garry as he will have not much time for a shake down after rego......plenty of help will be around if he needs it..
 It is all happening in about a month.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                5th July 2009, 01:50 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					OK read every thing   now i want one
				 
 
 
 
 
 
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					Sorry to go off topic but how much are the alloy diff covers? just curious. pitty im over the other side of the paddock that run would be great. didnt know garry had got his licensed. be a good run to iron out the bugs.plenty of pics hey. 
 
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