Thread: Starter and Hand Cranking

A 12v starter will work perfectly well on 24v, and is unlikely to be damaged if the engine starts readily. I have seen a 6v starter used long term on a 12v system without any problems.

John

I have a crank handle on the front of my 101.
My crank handle is longer than the standard 101 item as it has to go through the bull bar.
This crank handle I made.
I was lucky enough to find two ex army 2a crank handles.
The drive dog is the same is the series rovers and is just a pin on the end of the crank handle.
I cut the end off one crank handle and welded it on to the end of the other making a crank handle with a long sharft to suit the 101.
Dont bother trying to crank a motor with a SU or CD stormberg as the the way the carbies works makes this dificult.
Tow start is the way to go if the starter fails.
You can hand start some very big motors.....it just depends on the motor.
In fact I had a old Gyrocopter with a volkswagon motor and CD stromberg carby on it and the only method to start it was on the propellor.
When it was hot it was a ****
I had a G60 nissan patrol with 4 litre P40 motor in it and for six months I started it every day on the crank to go to and from work.....first time every time .
( I was young and poor at the time)
The crank on a 101 is useful for working on the motor and if buy yourself stuck in a creek with a wet motor , you can always drop the sparkplugs and crank your self out using the PTO winch.

Two things to remember.
The crankhandle shaft is a unusual size and therefore you need to find the 2a crank handles as you will have trouble buying the right size steel stock.
Check the starter relay.
On the 101 there is a relay for the starter solenoid.
I bypassed mine as it gave trouble and have not fixed it as it works fine (starter) by passed and just off the ignition switch.
That relay is a big heavy duty thing in the space up between the drivers seat and the spare wheel and accessed via the engine bay.(If Garry thinks under the dash board is hard wait until you try this)

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Garry I just read the the post on the technical section.
Sounds like a stuffed ring gear or if you are lucky a problem with the starter drive.
If the starter is back in the way to check what is what is by moving the engine a quarter of a turn or a little bit less by hand before starting it with the starter.
If it works every time with out the noise by doing this , then it is the ring gear.
A motor will naturally stop in two or three places all the time and therefore this is where the ring gear wears the most.
By slightly moving the motor around a little bit you will expose the starter pinion gear to a less worn part of the ring gear.
With the starter out you should be able to see the wear in the ring gear by using a mirror and turn the motor over a bit at a time to check all of it .
You should see the slightly more worn areas due to the motor stopping in the same places all the time.
The 24 volt starter I would think would be very different from the 12 volt items as it should be fully suppressed.

Well I am going to give it a go tonight and see if the beastie will roar into life on the handle.

The time as I type is 7.17 pm.
I last used my 101 at 5.00 pm today.
So the motor was not stone cold , but just warm.
No choke or throttle.
It started with in a quarter of a swing every time for more that six times without fail.
So there you go.....the things we learn.
A completely cold motor would be a different story.
Using the lengthen 2a crank handle shows the handle could do with a bit more lenght in the swing of the handle to over come the drag of the 8 jugs.
I was very very surprised.