engine and VIN no. locations on a 101

Each state has their own peculiar methods of dealing with registrations.
In SA, the plate stays with the car. To transfer the registration, the seller fills out a notice of disposal and transfer of registration. The buyer fills out an application for registration. If the registration has lapsed, the buyer pays a late fee and the registration fee.(This is what the Dept. of Transport SA advises me so if you disagree, take it up with them.) Unfortunately I also have to fill out another form because the Dept. of Transport SA believe the 101 is a bus with a GVM over 4.5t. Its called a "MR80-Vehicle Supplementary Details". (Again, this is what the Dept. of Transport SA advises me so if you disagree, take it up with them.)

Does anyone know a location on the web where I get a print of 101 specifications including but not limited to manufacturers gross vehicle mass (GVM), manufacturers gross combination mass (GCM), size/load index/ply of tyres and overall dimensions of the vehicle? (including the ambulance version if possible)
Also, where would I find out the month and year of manufacture of the vehicle (also required for the MR80)

Thankyou so very much to all for your help and advice.

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Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

they wanted a receipt from the last person to register the bikes.

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Yes booger. I have had that experience with Vicroads. The vehicle had last been registered in Tas fifteen years ago. Fortunately, the seller from Qld was most accomodating, and supplied me with a fifteen year old registration certificate which made the Vicroads person most compliant. The old bomb was registered with no issues.
This is why I am keen to get the 101 registered in my name asap. I'll let the rego lapse and after all the effort has been put into fixing it up and giving it a lick of paint, registration is merely a late fee.
If I find it too difficult to register at this early stage, I will only have lost $4,000, not $24,000.

Have a look at the plate that Ron has already posted - if yours is Australia army your GVM is there (3652kg). GCM is not specifically specified in the manuals, so assuming GCM is GVM plus tow weight - again Ron's pic shows the tow weight (2 tons) so GCM is 5652kg - note the 2 ton tow capacity is in all conditions so on-road is probably much higher but not specified.

The only workshop & user manuals are for british 101s (lower GVMs) so you will not find Australian documents for the information you ask.

The original tyres are 9.00x 16 Tubed Goodyear Bar Treads - 10 Ply load rating not specified in the hand book. Note there is no compliance plate nor tyre placards on 101s.

GS version - length overall, 4.330m, width 1.842m, height with canopy on 2.283m. No idea about the ambulance version as they were not in use in Australia. There are a couple of imports in country.

Determining when the vehicle was built can be difficult - certainly the 101s earmarked for Australia went to British Aerospace in the UK for conversion to Rapier Tractors in the second half of 1977 and were delivered to the army very late 77 into early 78. However the vehicles themselves may have been actually built in 1976 - it is not clear - certainly from official sources. My 101 on the NSW RTA documents has it build 01/77 which I believe is a default date.

You need to find out what you have - an ex Aust Army GS or an ex UK GS or even Ambo - the colour indicates an ex Aust 101, then you can workout where to go through the bureaucracy. One thing is though if it has been previously registered in SA they should already have all the details you have asked for on file. Before I registered mine in the ACT I gained information from the NSW RTA that confirmed what is was, is engine and Chassis numbers. When I actually registered it in the ACT the authorities just pulled up full details on my vehicle even though it had never been previously registered in the ACT - in fact they even told me the Qld rego number that I thought it had previously was in fact not the correct number.

Hope this helps a little

Good luck with it.

Garry

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Does anyone know a location on the web where I get a print of 101 specifications including but not limited to manufacturers gross vehicle mass (GVM), manufacturers gross combination mass (GCM), size/load index/ply of tyres and overall dimensions of the vehicle? (including the ambulance version if possible)
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Mick

I would suggest the nomenclature plate on the vehicle would be a good place to start. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-milita...ml#post1145676

Also can not see how SA Transport maintains the vehicle is 4.5T when the plate specifies 3,652KG.

For GCM you merely have to add Max loaded weight and max trailer weight. In this case 3652 Kg + 2000 Kg = GCM 5652 Kg

(Don't you find it interesting that the Range Rover classic with crappy 1930's designed Rover diffs, the same engine as the 101 and in some cases the same transmission as the 101 and it has a max trailer weight 4000Kg!)

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(Don't you find it interesting that the Range Rover classic with crappy 1930's designed Rover diffs, the same engine as the 101 and in some cases the same transmission as the 101 and it has a max trailer weight 4000Kg!)

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Ah yes but the 101 is designed to tow the 2 tons in all conditions - your RR is limited to 750kg off road. I guess that as the 101 was never designed to to be sold off into civilian hands the designers never bothered to consider what a suitable on-road limit would be so never specified one - the problem is 30 years later when we are trying to get 101s registered, is satisfying rego and insurance authorities that it should be higher when 2 tons is stamped on the plate.

My guess would be that 3.5 to 4t would be about right - definitely braked though.

Interestingly my Freelander towing 2 tonnes has about the same performance as my 101 empty and towing nothing - let alone towing 4 or even 2 tons.

Garry

Micks 101 is a Ex Aussie one and should have the plate on the fan tunnel as if I remember correctly from previous pics of micks 101 it has a rocket symbol on the door or side of it.
Get the rego boys to inspect the plate on the fan tunnel as it has a 500 kg increase in payload to specs in the 101 owners books and other published specs.
Aussie 101s had higher legal payloads than the others and this may work for you one day especially as it has( micks 101) extra ( heavy) body work on it.
Note if you a going for a LPG govt rebate at some time in the near future, remove the plate on the fan tunnel and and show the published specs as the GVM of a Aussie spec 101 is just over the 3500 kg limit of the rebate for LPG

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Also, where would I find out the month and year of manufacture of the vehicle (also required for the MR80)

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This is from the 101 club website - just look up your chassis number. Sorry for the quality - best I could manage but is still readable.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...21/101info.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3.../101-2info.jpg

Cheers

Garry

I went down to the Dept. of Transport SA motor registration branch today. It did not go well. The identification numbers did not match. It would appear the registration number on the vehicle I bought and is used on the receipt may not be for that vehicle. This may explain why the Dept. of Transport SA think the vehicle is a bus over 4.5 tonnes.

I have asked the realestate agent to re-issue an amended receipt with the correct chassis and engine nos. I don't think I'll have much success as their obligation to the vendor is complete.

There's not much more I can do until I get it home, give it a good wash with a pressure washer and see if there is another engine no. and chassis no. stamped in it somewhere. The DoT SA said the engine no. starts with an S. This could be because they couldn't find the engine no. and stamped one in themselves. Where, I don't know but I've heard of people stamping any old no. in engine blocks themselves.

Proof of ownership is going to be a bastard to prove now that the senile old cow-cocky has removed (stolen) the plates and destroyed the rego label on the window.

I'll post again if I have some success

Thank you all for your help. That listing Garry posted was particularly helpful.

regards
Mick

If you can get agent to redo the receipt you can treat the car as an unregistered veh you should only need the receipt and your state equivelent of a blue slip maybe a weigh bridge cert. in NSW part of the blue slip is checking to se if a veh is stolen dont know about SA:D Cocky was not happy with his finance company by the sounds :o

Mick,


If you are not aware of it - have a look at the Registration Numbers section of REMLR - The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere.. Your "proper" engine number will be listed there - assuming that the engine has not been changed - unlikely if still a 3.5. Also the engine number is basically impossible to read without an endoscope. In the front wheel arch there is a removable panel just above the chassis rail - when it is removed you can see the left hand exhaust manifold and the number hides on a near horizontal tab on the block behind the central two exhaust ports - near where the dipstick goes into the block.


I have taken some pics that may be helpful.


The first is a side pic of a 3.9 that I have on a stand - basically the same as a 3.5 except for the exhaust manifold - note the bolt in the block between the centre exhaust ports.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Here is the 3.9s engine number down behind the manifold - note the same bolt head at the top of the pic - the camera is directly above the engine
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Now note the 3.5 in my 101 - see the extra webbing between the two relevant exhaust ports making things harder to see - also see the same bolt head that was on the 3.9.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

This is what you see down the back of the manifold on the 3.5 - camera position is similar to that of the engine number pic of the 3.9 - just a little closer.
As you can see - you can see nothing because it is too hard to get into a position to view the number - even worse from the top with the engine cover off. You cannot even get a mirror in there. Note the same bolt in the block so you can see where the number should be stamped. That shaft to the right of the bolt head is the dipstick
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...5012010007.jpg

Also - the chassis number is stamped on the front drivers spring hanger - in this pic you cannot see it because of the paint but it is just below the recovery hook the top of the number runs along the bottom of the recovery hook.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Hope this is of some help

Garry