Thread: TD5 or new 2.4 ??

Originally Posted by Gavster

I think we're missing the point here - it's called ANTI-stall, not "stall-proof".

If you drop the clutch heavily it will likely stall

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And yes, my understanding is that anti-stall is really just sophisticated engine management - it just fuels the engine sufficient to maintain progress - but it is NOT marketed as stall-proof.

Again my understanding is that anti-stall was popularised in Europe years ago as a fitment on manuals (they are the majority over automatics in countries like France) - improving not only driveability but also safety - the europeans are mad about not hanging around at the lights or when entering an autoroute...

If this is pointed at me gavsta then you haven't read by posts above..
you will clearly see that I have never said stall proof ever!!

But you are obivoulsy getting frustrated at me being a non believer..
i'm only going on what I have been told and what I have experienced on my day to day driving and what was spoken about at the land rover sponsored training course....

I will not say anything further and I will as soon as I have some spare time go and test this remarkable anit stall when I get a free moment....and

If i'm wrong I will come back on here and say i'm wrong and happily except it.

I tried my anti stall in off road conditions up a fairly steep soft incline in high range and it just slowly climbed. I could hear the changes in engine sounds so I assume it is be working in that range

Allan

Originally Posted by Allan

I tried my anti stall in off road conditions up a fairly steep soft incline in high range and it just slowly climbed. I could hear the changes in engine sounds so I assume it is be working in that range

Allan

thanks Allan

thats what I wanted to hear some experiences of someone that had used it in off road situation.

if it does have it then I guess its just not no where near as good as low first hence my sceptisim of it not having it.

I still want to test it in my own car though. Not that I dont believe you allan, just to convince myself in my own car.

Hi gang. Been following the debate so read up on some on line tests. Nothing definitive but seems to be some sort of general anti-stall program when labouring the engine in the engine management computer plus an extra, u-beaut management program in 1st low for feet & hands off progress in slow going; sort of a steep hill ascent mode. Just 1st low in boggy, steep uphill terrain, feet on the floor and the computer will keep it trudging along. So everybody is right.

Reading the above, I can see I have been of no help at all. I may have just wasted 30 seconds of your life.

As to the question of TD5 or Puma we have both, the TD5 is a 90 and feels nicer around town. It seems a nicer car to drive as a daily drive. On a run the Puma 110 has it by a mile. It will drive all day at 110-120ks and you can at least here a conversation, were the TD5 sounds like its working a little hard. On the TD5 I still have to get used to all that turbo lag something I dont have on the Puma. I do like the sound of the 5 as revs build though, I guess its just taste

Allan

Well I did it too! Stalled the new 90 twice in the first 1km after I picked it up! It was obviously me and the new clutch because anti stall is not anti idiot!

I agree with Allan on the last reply, but I think it's got a lot to do with "running in" and "loosening up". My other half constanly says that she misses Merlot ('98 300Tdi 90),that we had to leave behind in the UK. The fact remains that cars settle in after a certain amount of kilos and it's not really fair on the newby to compare the drive with a 300Tdi with 125000 miles on it. Obviously the older one will be a smoother drive, that is untill the new one loosens up. Another post discussed this at length and the concensus is around 40 000km Pumas start driving smoother.

The bottom line is, I'll drive any Deefer that fits my budget. In the UK it was a weekender because of the fuel cost, so all I could afford was an older 300. I would have driven a TD5 if the Deefer was to be my primary car. I'm fortunate enough to be able to drive a Puma now, but they're all Landies and budget/application should be your only consideration when choosing a model.

Yes I tried it yesterday up a VERY steep hill.....and much to my surprise it is there. although not as good as first low and all its trickery,

I'm yet to try it up a steep hill with an obstacle in the way that needs to be tackled.

I have found though it much prefers to have the clutch all the way up before tackling a hill I guess to allow revs to settle (even if it is very quick). As before I tackeled this steep hill I tried another which was much smaller, but I deliberately put the car right at the base of the hill (so no chance for a run up) and came off the clutch realllly slow it started to climb and it then stalled....I guess that's the differences between high first and low first and probably does come down to ratio's at the end of the day like Mahn suggested

there is a chip out for the puma ($900) but i think it takes it to 150hp which is similar to the figures a worked td5 gets correct me if i am incorrect

this has been a talking point every time a new rover comes out firstly county owners bagged out the tdi's the tdi owners bagged out the td5 (bmw) and now the same for the puma but after having almost all of these except the td5 all that i can say is they are getting better and better !
although i am getting a puma at the end of the month i am still keeping the old county for some stupid reason