Flex, or lack of it

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22nd September 2010, 10:14 AM
dullbird

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

I think NOT !!!!!:angel:

I agree with Frantic.Too many people people just lower the rear mounts and just loose up travel,which then forces the body and chassis to tilt,and makes the vehicle unstable.

It is good to see that you have at least raised your mounting points Benny,but I won't open the can of worms about other points:angel:

Rick130 I have a set of +50mm Dobinson Flexicoils,and run use a dislocation cone that only allows them to

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dislocate about 2" before the coil is captured by a built in hook,hence allowing the best of both worlds;)

Wayne

I saw these at billing and really liked them (I think I took a photo of them too)..can I ask where you got them from?
22nd September 2010, 03:47 PM
LowRanger

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Originally Posted by dullbird

I saw these at billing and really liked them (I think I took a photo of them too)..can I ask where you got them from?

You most certainly may:)
I got mine from Gwyn Lewis in the UK

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...-gathered.html

If you have a look you can see them in the centre of the images in the above link

They are part of Gwyn's challenge suspension package.
Held in extremely high regard in the UK.
So much so that Terrafirma took his designs (he didn't patent them) and made their own versions,much to his disgust.

Chall Spring Locator
A direct link to the part on the Gwyn Lewis site.
Or you could have a look for yourself if you are at the LR expo on Sunday:D
regards

Wayne
22nd September 2010, 05:04 PM
Benny_IIA

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Originally Posted by frantic

:) Actually I did take that into consideration but you have identical OVERALL travel if you use the same size shocks as by lowering the standard size shockies you still need to raise the bumpstop to prevent destroying the shock.
Yes you will get more drop on one side by lowering with the standard 8in travel shock but you lose the same on compresion. Raise the shock tower and fit a longer shock (springs +2in or more and location/ dislocation are your decision) so you retain the upward travel and gain more downward stretch.;)
P.s Benny II with the dislocation(nice ute) and the 14.8 in travel shock you moved the shock mounts up from standard around 3 inches?

about 6" with 1" bump stop ext....

They are long bodies so the the closed lengths is about 20.5"

Pro Comp make a 14" shock that is around 18.5" closed

OM is about 13.5"

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/09/582.jpg
22nd September 2010, 08:24 PM
frantic

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

You most certainly may:)
I got mine from Gwyn Lewis in the UK

If you have a look you can see them in the centre of the images in the above link

They are part of Gwyn's challenge suspension package.
Held in extremely high regard in the UK.
So much so that Terrafirma took his designs (he didn't patent them) and made their own versions,much to his disgust.

Or you could have a look for yourself if you are at the LR expo on Sunday:D
regards

Wayne

Ditto! :D
I Should be there sunday and also have the same kit fitted but only a 40mm lift( I just still fit in the garage with a steep downward approach angle!) in a dark blue defender. Ill say hi!:D
23rd September 2010, 07:08 PM
LowRanger

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Originally Posted by frantic

Ditto! :D
I Should be there sunday and also have the same kit fitted but only a 40mm lift( I just still fit in the garage with a steep downward approach angle!) in a dark blue defender. Ill say hi!:D

Haha mine has no hope of fitting under my carport,nevermind the garage:mad:
I imagine there will be a few Blue defenders there.
Mine will be the roughest looking white defender:cool:But it has nice green dobinson springs.will be on my standard wheels,as I can't be bothered putting on 35's just to go to Castle Hill:p
I will be the one in the LROCS shirt:eek:
Wayne
23rd September 2010, 07:33 PM
rick130

Wayne, what free length and rate are your springs ?
23rd September 2010, 09:23 PM
LowRanger

Rick

It has been a while since I bought my springs,when I first ordered them,they didn't want to tell me the rate (secret squirrel stuff).Until I told them,it was either tell me or I wouldn't buy.My springs are slightly heavier than standard rate 110 springs in the front,to allow for the bullbar and winch,and the rears are standard rate 110.I can't remember the the free length anymore,but they were about made with 11 turns on the front springs,which is maximum on my setup to avoid coil bind.And they were approx 30mm taller than the old heavy duty +2" springs that I took out.
I still have the boxes in the garage,with the Dobinson part numbers if you want to ring Dobinson for the exact specs?

Wayne
23rd September 2010, 11:22 PM
rick130

No one wants to divulge rates, the crazy part is it only takes a minute in a rate tester.
When I was racing we'd just get a corner weight pad from the corner weight gauges and put them in a press (or drill press) and have a spring rated instantly.
These days any digi scale would do.
(FWIW Kings would wind whatever rate 60mm ID spring I wanted in whatever free length and they always rated spot on, unfortunately they'd also take a set after a while....)

If I had the exact wire diameter and exact # of coils and i can work the rate out, or at least get pretty close.

They actually sound close to what I'm using in the front anyway, (17" free length, 220lb/in) I was just curious what they classified as 'flexi'
24th September 2010, 03:37 PM
nayto

Lowranger, If i could grab the dobinson numbers off you that'd be great, next ones i buy i dont want to have to do it again for a while. So the 7100 Bilsteins i hear people taking about, are the mounts the same as standard?
24th September 2010, 04:30 PM
rick130

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Originally Posted by nayto

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So the 7100 Bilsteins i hear people taking about, are the mounts the same as standard?

Nope, 1/2" spherical bearings top and bottom.

Slunnie had some and they started clicking in no time (grit and dust kills the teflon/dry lubed liner) so he ended up getting them modified with 'normal' resilient bushed ends.

A set of 'Seals-It' seals will help enormously, although I've never used them.

If I did use rod end/spherical end shocks I'd be ordering some seals-it seals from the US too (although I'd imagine someone here that supplies the Speedway crowd would import them too.)

FWIW Fox Racing Shox make bolt in's with a CD adjuster on the remote can and urethane bushes for classic style suspension coil Land Rovers.

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