Thread: First shots fired in anger

Originally Posted by LowRanger

You did well to keep up as well as you did !!

Gentlemen,

You give a standard Puma far too little credit! At Eastnor Castle in Herefordshire standard Land Rovers on standard tyres to that sort of thing on a daily basis. Check out the link

Land Rover Experience - Malverns / Eastnor

I do not want to insult anyone's personal off road driving skills and I have no professional affiliation to the brand. It remains a major pity that LRA don't offer Land Rover Experience to show new LR owners the awesome ability of their brand new vehicles. I had the privilege to do some part time training with these guys and I was amazed on a daily basis where these "standard" vehicles will go when driven to their full potential.

Originally Posted by Loubrey

Gentlemen,

You give a standard Puma far too little credit! At Eastnor Castle in Herefordshire standard Land Rovers on standard tyres to that sort of thing on a daily basis. Check out the link

Land Rover Experience - Malverns / Eastnor

I do not want to insult anyone's personal off road driving skills and I have no professional affiliation to the brand. It remains a major pity that LRA don't offer Land Rover Experience to show new LR owners the awesome ability of their brand new vehicles. I had the privilege to do some part time training with these guys and I was amazed on a daily basis where these "standard" vehicles will go when driven to their full potential.

A purpose built track designed to show the capabilities of land-rovers without damaging them is different to a "real" track.

I am not arguing that a LR isn't capable out of the box, but if you placed a standard LR on standard rubber against one with offroad tyres and diff locks you would notice the difference as soon as the terrain became difficult enough.

Izuzurover,

Believe me, Eastnor Castle is NOT a purpose built track. It is couple hundred hectares of natural English oak forrest with serious natural off-road features. The UK Camel Trophy selection was traditionally held there. Those vehicles work hard and I can assure you they do get damaged. I was in the car when a customer who bought a Vogue ripped the driver-side mirror off on a tree (on an Experience vehicle, not his own!) and D3's wading through mud a lot deeper than the manual says.

Some tracks are deemed "Defender" only due to their severity.

Having said that I don't disagree with you that preparing a vehicle for off road conditions makes it a lot more capable. The fact remains that a standard Puma with standard sized mud terrains will keep up with most of the competition, even if they are moderately modified.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

A purpose built track designed to show the capabilities of land-rovers without damaging them is different to a "real" track.

I think what isuzurover is saying is that manufactures can 'manipulate' a track to suit their products wheelbases and clearances leaving the competition stuck

BTW nugget nice fotos

good to see yours is getting some use cant say the same about mine I think that mine is turning into a mall crawler

my biggest problem was bellying out. So many guys ....like my son...with 35's that when conditions are like they were on the weekend they have dug tracks that us vertically challenged mere mortals pull up a bit short and get belly rash.

everyone could always do with an extra inch