Changes to the Puma Engine & Lineup

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Originally Posted by pc3

My thinking is that it will be cheaper to put a new motor in my PUMA 130 twin cab when the time comes than to buy a new 4x4 and add all the bloody expensive items we put on...aux tanks, winches, UHF, lights bash plates etc.

Given the KM's I do at the moment that would be 15yrs away. I have seen one PUMA with 165,000km on the clock............it will be interesting to see if the PUMA can make 300,000 km with the little 2.4L motor.

But I will say it does get along nice and you would not think its only a 2.4L engine.

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Spoken like a true County Owner :D:D:D

I read with interest the debate about the smaller PUMA engines, both the 2.4ltr and now the 2.2ltr. How they are too small - If they can last, but never a question or doubt about the 200Tdi's or TD5's.

Not an expert or would ever claim to be..... BUT.....

The difference from PUMA 2.4 to a TD5 (2.5) is only 25cc's/per cylinder or the same as a cheap Chinese whipper snipper .....?

The 2.4 to a 2.2 is only 50cc's a good whipper snipper....?

Seriously.....what difference can it make ?

Especially given the advances in diesel technologies since 2004 ?.

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Originally Posted by Drover

I read with interest the debate about the smaller PUMA engines, both the 2.4ltr and now the 2.2ltr. How they are too small - If they can last, but never a question or doubt about the 200Tdi's or TD5's.

Not an expert or would ever claim to be..... BUT.....

The difference from PUMA 2.4 to a TD5 (2.5) is only 25cc's/per cylinder or the same as a cheap Chinese whipper snipper .....?

The 2.4 to a 2.2 is only 50cc's a good whipper snipper....?

Seriously.....what difference can it make ?

Especially given the advances in diesel technologies since 2004 ?.

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However do you feel the defender SHOULD have an engine of 3.5l to 4l capacity and then it would be perfect ?

I do....assuming it was also given a little stronger drive line in the appropriate areas. I would have paid an extra 5k-7k to have a bigger engined option....I think :(

Hey pc3,

I agree with your comments, bigger is better and the PUMA could have been the best factory Defender of all time if they got the engine and drive line right.

I think a 3ltr V6 TDCI would have been spot on, but it is not to be and that’s why I have a parcel from BAS and Allisport on the way from the UK.:D

……But 100cc's is barley worth mentioning.


Cheers

This post from a fellow SA Defender owner sums it up nicely:

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Oh how cute! I cannot wait for them to change to a eco-friendly 500cc engine with 5 turbo's, 3 superchargers, and a electric drive! That is so FABulous!

OK serious now: why don't LR call the new engine the "Two and a Quarter" and then going with the Tata Telcoline 2 litre engine, and finally back to the roots in bringing back the original 1600cc. Besides, with green laning being restricted more and more every year in England, what is the use of having a LR over there at all? Everything is designed around Euro 5 or 6 or 7 nowadays, how about Africa 0?

In darkest Africa and the Outback of Oz people still prefer a proper lump of old technology. Bring us a 3 litre diesel turbo, something with exhaust fumes that will keep the mosquitos away, something that can digest a litre of water in the fuel tank without requiring R30k to replace injectors and pumps, something that can cross a 1,5 meter deep river without dying, something that you can tune with a 13mm spanner and a screwdriver (no laptop required). I am just more convinced to keep to my old Landy, and rather fix her and keep her in good shape, than to spend hundreds of thousands on new things that will just irritate the crap out of me.

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Originally Posted by Drover

Hey pc3,

I agree with your comments, bigger is better and the PUMA could have been the best factory Defender of all time if they got the engine and drive line right.

I think a 3ltr V6 TDCI would have been spot on, but it is not to be and that’s why I have a parcel from BAS and Allisport on the way from the UK.:D

……But 100cc's is barley worth mentioning.


Cheers

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Drover do you have a new motor on the way from BAS Allisport ?

Hey the new Ford ranger dual cab will have a 3.2L 5 cyl motor......might be an awesome drop in for the defender ??

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Originally Posted by Naks

This post from a fellow SA Defender owner sums it up nicely:

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who ever wrote that post has never worked on defenders for sure

all you need is a 12MM and a 17mm spanner:D:D:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by 85 county

who ever wrote that post has never worked on defenders for sure

all you need is a 12MM and a 17mm spanner:D:D:D:D:D

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And a Big Friendly Hammer

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Originally Posted by Naks

This post from a fellow SA Defender owner sums it up nicely:

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td5 or a rover v8 fords should stay in fords:wasntme:

i reckon a 3.0 ltr of some discription would be great, but, if someone decided to transplant a ( for example ) a 3.0 ford ranger engine what would happen to the anti stall and traction control systems ??? as the ecu controls all this, or am i wrong...lol...or can all ecu's plug and play ?????
cheers
muddy