Traction control

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Originally Posted by DeanoH

ABS is brilliant on bitumen but IMHO bloody lethal when towing on loose surfaces.
ABS works by detecting when a wheel has locked up (under braking) and then releasing the brakes on that wheel and re-applying braking force on that wheel without locking up. A brilliant and effective safe braking system when used on a FIRM surface.
ABS is absolutely bloody useless when used on a loose surface. For example outback dirt roads. When braking on loose surfaces a 'bow wave' of loose material is built up ahead of the wheels which is the major stopping contributor when breaking hard on such a 'ball bearing' surface. ABS negates this condition by applying and releasing the brakes thus preventing the formation of this 'bow wave'.
When towing (especially an unbraked trailer) this is very obvious. Breaking distance under hard breaking is dramatically increased.
Whilst ABS may be a life saver on firm surfaces it is bloody scary on loose surfaces.

Deano:)

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Correct, pure evil in the slippery stuff, nothing like mashing the big pedal and all you feel is pulsations and no stopping....reach for the handbrake;)

The LRA site shows the Hardtop with a white roof. I dont like it and I would colour code it green if it came with white. I chose the green because it would be less visible if parked off in the scrub overnight.

I would also choose not to get the ABS TC option. I would stick with the centre diff lock and and diff locker combination. Works more than fine in me Disco.
I have a bit of a theory with regard to which end to put the locker in for starters. Perhaps wrong.
If the Puma has a rear diff problem with backlash and stuff due to a poor design, perhaps a locker in the rear working in real hard terrain would only make the rear diff problem worse due to the strain on it ? What do you Blokes think ?
Perhaps for starters it might be better to fit the locker in the front diff untill Ashcroft or someone else makes available a suitable rear diff and locker conversion ? To hell with warranty on that diff.
I would also be fitting the HD double cardian front tailshaft replacement. Does anyone have a link for that supplier.
Would also fit black King wheels with zero offset.

Another concern I have is the nine hundred kilometre round trip for service and warranty work. The trip to Townsville is a mongrel and boring with a stay of God knows how long in a motel.
Depending on what the warranty work was required I think I would rather fix it myself or pay my mechanic to do it rather than let some dealer apprentice fool around with it.
I have sent an email to LRA asking if I would void the warranty if I was to engage LandRover Spares here in Mackay to carry out the routine log book service. Still waiting for a reply.

I have enclosed modified a pic of a Hardtop from the LRA site to get a bit of an impression. Colour coded the roof and added a rear window thingy.
I like a room with a view.
Looks cute dunnit.

Cheers.

Robert.

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Originally Posted by olbod

I would also choose not to get the ABS TC option. I would stick with the centre diff lock and and diff locker combination. Works more than fine in me Disco.

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Well if you want to stay in the age of the dinosaur why not just stay with your Disco.

I would never buy a new car that did not have ABS - it is a life saver and with decent tyres is not such an issue when braking offroad.

Garry

Agreed,just buy a Tdi defender.Seriously you blokes think too much,just remove your blinkers and buy the vehicle and after 6 months you wonder why you ever listened to the knockers,don't worry about warranty work,LR allows you to take it to a third party to be repaired and still honours your warranty if you use genuine LR parts,a TDCi defender with TC and an Ashcroft torque biased diff center would be very capable offroad. Pat

Bailey Morris link provided -

http://www.baileymorris.co.uk/4x4.asp

I ordered mine, arrived 6 days latter, about $650 to the door.

These are a very nice piece of kit
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Originally Posted by olbod

The LRA site shows the Hardtop with a white roof. I dont like it and I would colour code it green if it came with white. I chose the green because it would be less visible if parked off in the scrub overnight.

I would also choose not to get the ABS TC option. I would stick with the centre diff lock and and diff locker combination. Works more than fine in me Disco.
I have a bit of a theory with regard to which end to put the locker in for starters. Perhaps wrong.
If the Puma has a rear diff problem with backlash and stuff due to a poor design, perhaps a locker in the rear working in real hard terrain would only make the rear diff problem worse due to the strain on it ? What do you Blokes think ?
Perhaps for starters it might be better to fit the locker in the front diff untill Ashcroft or someone else makes available a suitable rear diff and locker conversion ? To hell with warranty on that diff.
I would also be fitting the HD double cardian front tailshaft replacement. Does anyone have a link for that supplier.
Would also fit black King wheels with zero offset.

Another concern I have is the nine hundred kilometre round trip for service and warranty work. The trip to Townsville is a mongrel and boring with a stay of God knows how long in a motel.
Depending on what the warranty work was required I think I would rather fix it myself or pay my mechanic to do it rather than let some dealer apprentice fool around with it.
I have sent an email to LRA asking if I would void the warranty if I was to engage LandRover Spares here in Mackay to carry out the routine log book service. Still waiting for a reply.

I have enclosed modified a pic of a Hardtop from the LRA site to get a bit of an impression. Colour coded the roof and added a rear window thingy.
I like a room with a view.
Looks cute dunnit.

Cheers.

Robert.

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Given your issues with servicing and the changes you want to make, it soulds like you would be better off buying a Puma just out of warranty and swapping the axles with your disco 1 if you have lockers.

EDIT - and a TrueTrac geared LSD + TC is 99.9% as good as lockers apparently

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Well if you want to stay in the age of the dinosaur why not just stay with your Disco.

I would never buy a new car that did not have ABS - it is a life saver and with decent tyres is not such an issue when braking offroad.

Garry

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Your definition of off road is far different to mine, abs is a death trap in som places

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Originally Posted by garrycol

............................................. ABS - .................... with decent tyres is not such an issue when braking offroad.
Garry

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please explain ?

Deano:)

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Originally Posted by DeanoH

please explain ?

Deano:)

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Please explain what??? How ABS works.

Simply ABS unbrakes a locked wheel to maintain steering - so if a wheel has more grip it does not lock.

So offroad and onroad with grippier tyres ABS activates less. HT tyres offroad when heavy braking ABS will be on all the time - ATs and MTs much, much less.

With my Freelander on BFG ATs ABS rarely activates (but constantly on with bald HTs) and I have never had ABS activate on my RRS in normal offroad driving and braking.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Please explain what??? How ABS works.

Simply ABS unbrakes a locked wheel to maintain steering - so if a wheel has more grip it does not lock.

So offroad and onroad with grippier tyres ABS activates less. HT tyres offroad when heavy braking ABS will be on all the time - ATs and MTs much, much less.

With my Freelander on BFG ATs ABS rarely activates (but constantly on with bald HTs) and I have never had ABS activate on my RRS in normal offroad driving and braking.

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If you play on more difficult terrain, it becomes an issue, may not where you take your vehicles, but that's not necessarily the same as others