TD5 or PUMA? The perpetual question!

Zero.... Good to know :)

I'm in the same boat as u.... having '95 Defender 110 Wgn (sort of my daily driver), '09 Tdci Puma 110 wgn (currently prepping it for a desert crossing this year), but I also have a Tdi300 Disco-1(daily driver when I want AC and feeling lazy and want an Auto) which I also love as well.... IS and would be very hard to part with any one of them... If only rego was cheaper up here in Qld :(

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Originally Posted by Zeros

I've never owned a TD5 so can't compare, but it sounds like they are great to drive but had many gremlins.

While a little of the OP's topic, perhaps this will be helpful to some...

Having both a 300 TDI (320,000km) and TDCI (100,000km) I am constantly comparing the two.

I use the TDI more as a daily driver now, but it's done extensive bush / touring work over almost 20 years. The TDCI I use for touring and when I want aircon LOL.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

TDCI has steel bonnet & doors, while TDI are all aluminium = more rust/strength / heavier and less dents vs dents / lighter / less prone to rust.

TDI - Pros:
- Uses less fuel; noticeably lighter; front air vents; better rear diff; bullet proof driveline (except rear axles / flanges); simple mechanically; no ECU / sensors etc; more fuel tolerant;
TDI - Cons;
- Noiser; less powerful engine; only 5 speed;

TDCI - Pros:
- Much quieter / smoother to drive; More powerful engine; 6 speed; air-conditioning; electric windows; better seat backs; better second row seats;
TDCI - Cons:
- Adapter shaft between TC and Gearbox must be replaced / lubed; Weaker transfer case (ashcroft ATB excellent fix); more complex electronics; uses more fuel than TDI;

Showstoppers:
TDI - seized alternator at 250,000km
TDCI - zero

Servicing:
TDI - cheaper parts and slightly easier
TDCI - gearbox oil change is a pain

If I had to let go of one? ....neither LOL. ...actually I would keep the TDI (for simplicity & sentimental reasons). But i love driving both.

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Wonder what the OP went with...

After reading through all 13 pages, it seems to me that the OP went with a TDCi Puma.

Personally I have owned my TDCi for 6 years now and the one and only thing I have had to replace on it (whilst still under warranty) was one hinge of the sunroof. This snapped with a loud ping when I was closing the sunroof. Apart from that and normal servicing items, nothing else has been replaced or broken. Now I know a lot of people who purchased a whole variety of brand new cars from various marques and have had a hell of a lot more issues with them over the same time frame than a small sunroof hinge. Two of those cars didn't even last 6 years.


Even looking back at all the cars that I have owned over the years, my 2013 TDCi Puma 90 is the most reliable car I have ever owned. Can't complain about that.

Excellent. How many kms has your 90 done? Have you replaced any driveline parts as preventative maintenance? Adapter shaft? Axles/flanges?

Yep. One clutch for mine, plus a broken wire to one of the rear door locks. Also replaced a plastic heater valve. Done 127,000 Ks.

I've had the intercooler changed, (Turbo hoses, ecu & MAF sensor changed beforehand as they couldn't find the split intercooler)
recall on the output shaft didnt fix the noise, so they replaced the gearbox, then the clutch, pressure plate etc.
Corrosion around the alpine windows was repaired, and they replaced the fuel filler hoses and associated breather hoses after
it dumped diesel all over on my drive outside of warranty and they did it as good will because it was serviced its entire life at LR.
Luckily it was all done as warranty and I have a great dealer that looked after me really well, and gave me a loaner each time I had an issue.
I own, and have owned and driven Series 2's Series 3's, 300tdi, and driven TD5's, whilst I would have any of them, I wouldn't give up my Puma, love it!

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Originally Posted by ezyrama

I've had the intercooler changed, (Turbo hoses, ecu & MAF sensor changed beforehand as they couldn't find the split intercooler)
recall on the output shaft didnt fix the noise, so they replaced the gearbox, then the clutch, pressure plate etc.
Corrosion around the alpine windows was repaired, and they replaced the fuel filler hoses and associated breather hoses after
it dumped diesel all over on my drive outside of warranty and they did it as good will because it was serviced its entire life at LR.
Luckily it was all done as warranty and I have a great dealer that looked after me really well, and gave me a loaner each time I had an issue.
I own, and have owned and driven Series 2's Series 3's, 300tdi, and driven TD5's, whilst I would have any of them, I wouldn't give up my Puma, love it!

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Did your split intercooler cause a whistle, particularly when accelerating in the lower gears?

TD5 Defender 270000 kms the only warranty claims were dents in the body.
Have done much preventative maintenance but it’s never failed to proceed

Just curious here.... but has anyone had to replace their PUMA Injectors &/or TD5 Injectors and what is the cost comparisons like?

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Originally Posted by Robmacca

Just curious here.... but has anyone had to replace their PUMA Injectors &/or TD5 Injectors and what is the cost comparisons like?

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TD5 Injectors have a design life of 800000 ks and very rarely fail.
You can buy them for about $400 each if you ever needed them.
Puma no idea