Not all some of us embrace new things:)..Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
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Not all some of us embrace new things:)..Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
jeez mate I'm not a Jeep boffin either!Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
Ummm as far as I know, the Rubi offers an electronic disconnect sway bar, electric lockers front and back, and lastly an ultra low t-case low-range gear. More info on the US site I reckon.
And yes, no CRD for the Rubicon. Maybe the 3.0 TDV6 later, but no announcements yet.
The Unlimited Diesel with the Renegade Pack might be exactly where you need to be.
Absolutely. I think the Coors was confounding the few brain-cells in attendance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew90
The Zook picked the right line.
In the drive way my missus has a 2011 rubicon.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
Rubicon has much extra over the wranger and sport.
Bigger tyres and wheels.
Much lower low range gearing....78 to 1 in first.
Bigger, stronger Dana diff in front.
Factory sway bar disconnect, switch operated.
Front and rear electric diff locks.
It has other small improvements for real off road use.
It all works very well and gets 12litres per 100km loaded at 100 kph.
2012 has the newer penhouse motor fitted with slightly improved encomony and 25% increase in power..........it is not gustless with the older. 3.8 motor.
The motor in ours has proven to be able to ford creeks to the top edge of the bonnet for short periods without snorkel.
Do not buy the diesel with manual as the clutch is very poor lasting and expensive dual mass type.
Weakness are poor belly clearance with standard tyres and supension.
Very little room inside the vehicle.
Handling could be better .
When towing 1.5 tonnes and loaded vehicle as well the 3.8 motor will chew fuel and the standard fuel tank is nothing special in size.
It has been very , very reliable and the electronics is straight forward for a up to date vehicle......it does use a Canbus dashboard etc.
The vehicle has a very large range of USA lift/supension kits advailible.
PS with a bit of trouble it is still possible to drive around with the windscreen down, which is something you cannot do with a Landover any more.
I went on a trip around the back of the Thompson Dam with a Rubicon.
Very impressed with its capability although let down by fuel usage & capacity.
Where every one seemed to be lifting wheels the Rubicon had all four wheels on the ground.
This was the only vehicle that had to carry fuel.
On a couple of hard sections the only vehicles to get thru were the Rubicon & a highly modified fender.
Cheers
Chuck
There is also the 7 ltr Hemi Jeep. It sounds sweet. No idea if this is custom or something you can order but what a beast.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKTjLjQaWcc]7lt Hemi JK Jeep and Red 110 Defender Glass House Mountains Trip 31 Oct 2009 - YouTube[/ame]
Jeep drivers are like Defender owners. I have a soft spot for them because they are not driving a toyota or nissan.
Nothing new about IFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
However the lack of wheel travel and ground clearance during articulation, etc. are handicaps for the others.
I know ifs isn't new but anything new done to a car that hasn't changed much over 60 years is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush65
If the new defender was placed on a disco chassis ( not saying it will be but it has been romoured before) then I really don't see what the handicap is other than you don't have the freedom to play with suspension.
The discovery is an extremely capable off roader it does lift wheels but it still gets there.
If I had the money I would ditch my defender in a heartbeat and have a D4
I don't personally see a great deal of difference between the lack of travel of IFS and people who are now choosing to retain there springs but that could just be my lack of understanding I appreciate you can change your rates in a retained set though
I still look at posts about Defender upgrades, but have stopped worrying about it. I remember seeing some time ago that a L.R. boss dismissed using the Disco platform because it wouldn't suit all of the variations.Quote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
Disco III and IV suit some people, but not others, just like IFS, IRS, and rigid axles F&R.
Unless the coils are excessively stiff or short, retained springs articulate very well - they force the front radius arm suspension to articulate more than it does with un-retained or dislocating springs. They provide better balanced (front to rear) articulation and greater stability. With longer travel shocks, retained springs can extend beyond their free height (go into tension).
IMHO well set-up retained springs on rigid axles will well and truly articulate more than disco III or IV and be more stable/safer on difficult obstacles.
The allowable operating angles of cv's at each end of the short half shafts of independent suspension limit their practical articulation.
No doubt there are pro's and con's of the different types, which suits people best depends on their needs, and that is why I responded to your post, which seemed to me to me to be putting down others who were simply stating their preference.
I wasn't putting anyone down John (you have read in to that way to much) the comment was that defender drivers were more likely to go to jeep if the defender came out with IFS, merely pointing out that is not the case some people will happily embrace the IFS, simply stating my own preference! I dont think there is anything wrong with that:)
interesting read on the disco and retained point of view to thanks :)