True Trac or Detroit Locker

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Without wanting to get into a debate I'd say its the other way around.

TrueTrac with Traction control will get you over 99% of stuff , there might only be 1% where a full diff lock would have helped.

I can live with that by not having to worry about breaking front axles or CV's

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Well lets just say that we disagree then;)
List a front wheel and see how much a Tru Trac or ATB helps:o
You must already be running aftermarket axles and C.V's if you aren't concerned about breaking them.
And where I go,I see a few vehicles with traction aids of various forms,and there really is NO comparison to full lockers,of whatever brand your loyalties lay in.

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Well lets just say that we disagree then;)
List a front wheel and see how much a Tru Trac or ATB helps:o
You must already be running aftermarket axles and C.V's if you aren't concerned about breaking them.
And where I go,I see a few vehicles with traction aids of various forms,and there really is NO comparison to full lockers,of whatever brand your loyalties lay in.

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Wayne, do remember back on the OuterLimits Rover board when Sam/Strange Rover was running the lockless buggy ?

He had TruTracs front and rear with their (Haultech's) TC and it was really competitive with the other buggies.

At the time, Sam reckoned it was as good as 99% of running full, selectable lockers

I will just add.
The Detroit will unlock easily on muddy low grip surfaces.
It takes very little to unlock them.
If fact the detroit loves snow and mud and allows grip with traction and steering in a way a manual locker never will.
I am not detroit blind and if you have traction control , the trutrac is the way to go as it will work well with traction control and no axle up grade is needed.
Detroit is a waste with traction control.

It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that some people's reason for fitting lockers or LSDs is to make their LR almost unstoppable even in sphincter tightening situations while others just want to reduce the difficulties they might have when traction is less than ideal.

We have been reminded several times that True Tracs and similar LSDs don't transfer any torque across the axle of one wheel is lifted in a vehicle without TC unless a quick dab on the brake pedal is used. However, I can picture all sorts of situations where traction is a minor problem but lifting a wheel completely off the ground is extremely unlikely. In those circumstances a True Trac would do what it was designed to do, wouldn't it?

If my impression is right, then it would seem to me that in my case, for example, with the camper on the back and the chances of lifting a rear wheel very small, a True Track in the rear might be enough to make a difference that might be described as good value for money.

I too would like to see an answer to this I know they do it, I can demonstrate it very easily.
Just have no idea why

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Can someone explain exactly why some LSDs and/or lockers cause problems on slippery side slopes? Which types are worse and why?

I am not questioning whether it happens or how much it happens. I just want to try to understand why.

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Originally Posted by djam1

I too would like to see an answer to this I know they do it, I can demonstrate it very easily.
Just have no idea why

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Have a look at post #27.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that some people's reason for fitting lockers or LSDs is to make their LR almost unstoppable even in sphincter tightening situations while others just want to reduce the difficulties they might have when traction is less than ideal.

We have been reminded several times that True Tracs and similar LSDs don't transfer any torque across the axle of one wheel is lifted in a vehicle without TC unless a quick dab on the brake pedal is used. However, I can picture all sorts of situations where traction is a minor problem but lifting a wheel completely off the ground is extremely unlikely. In those circumstances a True Trac would do what it was designed to do, wouldn't it?

If my impression is right, then it would seem to me that in my case, for example, with the camper on the back and the chances of lifting a rear wheel very small, a True Track in the rear might be enough to make a difference that might be described as good value for money.

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but as you don't have tc then you may aswell just get the full detroit. i only paid $450 landed from the USA and $300 to have someone fit it.
positive traction in all conditions and hardly notice it around town. :)

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Originally Posted by rick130

Wayne, do remember back on the OuterLimits Rover board when Sam/Strange Rover was running the lockless buggy ?

He had TruTracs front and rear with their (Haultech's) TC and it was really competitive with the other buggies.

At the time, Sam reckoned it was as good as 99% of running full, selectable lockers

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Rick
Sams traction control was a little different to what is fitted to factory vehicles.
And I think there were a few more things at play with the Lockless Monster than just the traction control;)

Ok i'm going to change the direction of this slightly...

I just oredered a Detroit locker for the rear (Salisbury) and a trutrack for the front. Has anyone installed one of them? is it very difficult?

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Rick
Sams traction control was a little different to what is fitted to factory vehicles.
And I think there were a few more things at play with the Lockless Monster than just the traction control;)

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I remember lots of broken trutracs around in those days. Also remember him telling me that if 1 wheel is off the ground the other will NOT drive. Still a great LSD but not a locker.