2012 110 recovery points..!!

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Originally Posted by dunny1

Thanks KarlB, didn't think of that.

If i start with a similar plate but replace the lower bolt with 2 high tensile bolts, would this help to spred the load.

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Not a simple question and I am not a mechanical engineer but some things to consider: If the bottom bolt is 'large' enough then the load on the bottom of the bracket causes a rotation (of the bracket) around that bolt. You still have a leverage situation increasing the effective load. You also then have force applied to the bottom of the chassis towards the front and just above, a force towards the back. I suspect that this is not a good thing. Also need to be mindful of the mild steel chassis issue and if there are not a tubes welded tubes across the chassis (where the holes go) to strengthen it, then the load is taken largely on the outside of the chassis box section. The chassis is probably the weakest part of the recovery assembly. As I said earlier, one for an engineer. That said, snatch recovery should be considered the last resort and one you should use only when other recovery methods have failed. Snatching can readily put loads of tens of tonnes on recovery points. Always use a bridle to spread the load across both chassis rails.

Cheers
KarlB
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Originally Posted by BilboBoggles

No Definitely not - Those are tie down points for securing the vehicle during transport. They must not be used for recovery - they will bend and break and cause someone to die.

Jate rings used to be the preferred method for adding rated recovery, they replaced those tie down points, with a D shackle like device.

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Jate Rings on 09MY - only modification was to alloy gravel tray. Should all be same same for subsequent models.

Cheers

RF

Are these for the front only, or front and back?

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Originally Posted by Samblers

Are these for the front only, or front and back?

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Don't know if anyone has then fitted to the rear?????

If I need a rear pull would use the inside of the Hayman Reece with the pin through the strap loop. Having said that, in 40 odd years I've only ever needed to be pulled out backwards once, and that was done with a winch.

RF

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Originally Posted by Samblers

Are these for the front only, or front and back?

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JATE rings will fit front and rear on a 110, but are problematic on the rear of a Def90.

Cheers
KarlB
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I was crawling under the front of the defender, with this thread in mind and looking at jate ring installation points ready to make a purchase...

Theres two horizontal holes in the ARB bullbar, low down, in a total of about 20mm of plate thickness - SURELY these are meant for a couple of bow shackles to be used for recovery? 20mm thick.

Also the bullbar itself bolts onto the exact holes where the jate rings would be installed, so I cant see how jate rings are required???

Top centre hole in this pic is the one i'm talking about.

Maybe just a check that the bullbar bolts are of grade 8.8 or higher (just replace em maybe?)?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/01/103.jpg

Just for clarity - my last post in reference to this post...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/167005-arb-bar-horses-mouth.html


... in which the poster asks the ARB man if his Discovery bullbar can be used as a recovery point, to which the answer is no :(

Silly question, but where do folk buy JATE rings?

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Originally Posted by gng1

Silly question, but where do folk buy JATE rings?

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Cheapest way would be to mail order them from the UK but there are probably some Australian suppliers. You should, theoretically, be able to order them from your local Land Rover dealer. The import information you need is part number. The standard JATE ring Part No. is RRC3237 and the slightly wider version is ZXC9435. Google search the part numbers and you will find info about them and where to purchase. You will need HT bolts and Nylock nuts and spacing washers. Bolts are about 130 mm long, 10 mm dia. You may be able to buy as a kit (P/N RRC3237KIT). Also, be mindful that here are a range of copies of varying quality. Originals are forged. Copies are usually welded though there are forged copies around. The part numbers quoted are for genuine JATE rings as fitted to UK military vehicles.

Cheers
KarlB
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PS Try Dingocroft: http://www.dingocroft.co.uk/acatalog..._shackles.html

This is what i'm proposing to get made, currently surching my area for an engineer to have a look.
Here is a pic of a template, I cut this out so the engineer would understand what I'm wanting. The shape / steel grade may change