Thread: Novice recovery point/ rigging question

Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Jate Ringa ARE suitable recovery points. The tying down things people refer to are a 5mm plate (from memory) with a 30mm hole through it that is bolted to one side of the chassis rail only and connect to the same point as a Jate ring.

My understanding also - think people are getting confused with the crappy black tie-down loops?

Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Having said that, I wouldn't fancy a big snatch with them... You may have plenty of capacity in your straps, shackles and spare shear capacity in your grade 8.8 bolts that connect the Jate runs o the chassis, but the chassis is the weaker point. You have 4 x 1.5-2mm of steel in contact with half of each bolt... A heavy snatch will see those holes elongated!!!

Not disagreeing, but fail to see how this is any different to any recovery point, not just jate rings? Fundamentally they are (mostly) just bolted to the chassis?

Snatch is a last resort but there's no point having the straps if there is not a suitable point to attach them (its an insurance policy). First resort is send my toddlers in with the shovel

Originally Posted by Samblers

My understanding also - think people are getting confused with the crappy black tie-down loops?

Not disagreeing, but fail to see how this is any different to any recovery point, not just jate rings? Fundamentally they are (mostly) just bolted to the chassis?

Snatch is a last resort but there's no point having the straps if there is not a suitable point to attach them (its an insurance policy). First resort is send my toddlers in with the shovel

Worst case, a Jate ring used for recovery is connected to the chassis via one M10 bolt. Now consider a bull bar, they usually have a minimum of 6 x M10 bolts, two of which act in a different plane to the other 4. From a recovery perspective if you recover from solid points on a suitably rated bar, you are transferring load into the chassis in a much more controlled way and therefore much less likely to do damage or worse, cause an injury.

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Originally Posted by Samblers

My understanding also - think people are getting confused with the crappy black tie-down loops?

Not disagreeing, but fail to see how this is any different to any recovery point, not just jate rings? Fundamentally they are (mostly) just bolted to the chassis?

Snatch is a last resort but there's no point having the straps if there is not a suitable point to attach them (its an insurance policy). First resort is send my toddlers in with the shovel

I forgot to add my 2c worth about recovery hooks... No bloody way! Use rated shackles and spend an extra 20s attaching them to the car. Hooks are not worth the risk.

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My ARB bar is attached via 4 M10 bolts... two of which are the same ones which also attach the jate rings

Originally Posted by Samblers

My ARB bar is attached via 4 M10 bolts... two of which are the same ones which also attach the jate rings

Really? All the ARB bars I've fitted over the years have had 8 bolts. 2 vertical on each chassis rail, through the dumb irons and two lateral on each chassis rail.

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I have reece hitch front and back which make easy recovery points. Snatch can be pinned into the reece.

Dozens of recoveries later and no issues.

Front hitch isn't much good for approach angles though. It was fitted by the previous owner for parking his 3T chipper but it is same quality as the rear one.

I think/hope he means 4 bolts on each chassis rail!!!

Originally Posted by gavinwibrow

I think/hope he means 4 bolts on each chassis rail!!!

Nup. I'll take a pic tonight and post.