Thread: No Defenders to be made in 2015?

Isn't it in London anyway, the newest Defender allowed within 30 mile is a Td5 or later. A Tdi is not welcome unless modified to EU 4 or more.

I think LR will do a decent job of a new Defender. But one will have to accept more electrics along with creature comforts to be happy with it. If LR don't get build quality and reliability better though, I won't be signing up, and may even ditch the one I already have. At the current rate of crap that goes on I don't think I wil be able to afford to keep it.

The big difference between Oz and the rest of the first world is our fleet avg. age! E.U, U.K and, Japan are all at or well under 7years avg age of vehicle on the road. We sit around the 10-12year mark which means if you enact a stupid rule like londons which basically bans any vehicle older than 1999 you ban over 1/2 the cars in Oz compared to the 20% blocked in the U.K.
Meanwhile we allow 5% of the worlds dirtiest emissions to go unchecked as they are all registered in foreign countries. Look at bunker oil and shipping transport emissions.
Australian shipping emissions identified | CSIRO
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Originally Posted by Dougal

I'd certainly take a 2.2 Puma over a 3.9 V8 defender every time.

Me too. Better for the environment. Better for my pocket. And better for touring.

KarlB

Originally Posted by newhue

Isn't it in London anyway, the newest Defender allowed within 30 mile is a Td5 or later. A Tdi is not welcome unless modified to EU 4 or more.

Isn't there an option to pay about 100 quid per day instead?

When I was over there a few years back, all the double decker buses have plates by the doors proclaiming that they are powered by euro 5 compliant engines.

Originally Posted by newhue

I think LR will do a decent job of a new Defender. But one will have to accept more electrics along with creature comforts to be happy with it.

I certainly hope so, but juggling creature comforts, capability, looks and price will mean something will probably have to give...

Originally Posted by Dougal

Isn't there an option to pay about 100 quid per day instead?

When I was over there a few years back, all the double decker buses have plates by the doors proclaiming that they are powered by euro 5 compliant engines.

not sure, but looking around here busses are all gas, trucks are mostly modern these days and rarely billow black smoke. Who now what the powers that be will do. Knee capping a certain amount of the population doesn't worry the powers if it's the direction they choose to go.

Originally Posted by FeatherWeightDriver

I certainly hope so, but juggling creature comforts, capability, looks and price will mean something will probably have to give...

I hope so too. You'd imaging probably being made from robots, or in countries with cheaper labour then all desires should be obtainable. But yes your right, sadly it won't. Just look at the current offering. I'm up to immobiliser #4, and reading on here I'm not alone. I'm guessing a $10 part made in china is regularly replaced with similar crap because head office doesn't want to spend $15 per unit, or has 100K units to use up first.
I'm hoping the profits from not using english labour goes into product quality. However the cynic in me expects it to go more so into CEO and the like bonuses for having such a great idea.

You're on the money there Jason; execs and shareholders rejoice at their new bonuses whilst owners complain about the new problems. If only they'd listen, they'd smash the Jap products. Boggles the mind

Originally Posted by Didge

You're on the money there Jason; execs and shareholders rejoice at their new bonuses whilst owners complain about the new problems. If only they'd listen, they'd smash the Jap products. Boggles the mind

Agree Didge, I have been an executive myself for a good 6 years and my ethics made me stop. Bottom line is No.1 and is about cutting costs and quality suffers and yes big bonuses drive everything unfortunately.

I am picking up my new defender 110 on 25th and I am dreading the thought of component failures because of cheap Chinese crap.

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