All discussions relating to the Defenders end of production

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Originally Posted by weeds

But there is already a dozen or so in the market......Land Rover will now be way behind the eight ball......no matter what Jeep or Land Rover do everybody still thinks both brands are unreliable......no matter how many times I tell people that my 110 never left me stranded (did have to carry out running repairs)

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Which are the dozen or so heavy duty work vehicles in market? The proliferation of mid-duty dualcab utes don't count.

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Originally Posted by ProjectDirector

And especially after reading this with LR getting wooden spoon

How reliable will your new car be?- Car News | CarsGuide

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So according to those figures virtually every new vehicle has a problem on average and the worst have two problems on average. Hmm splitting hairs?

Obviously in the real world some individual vehicles have many problems and some none. But that is across all makes and models.

Most interesting is the lack of take up of the refund or replacement for major failure law.

Ultimately a motor vehicle is an organism: it breathes, it consumes, it expels waste, it has a circulatory system, it's made of components derived from organic or earthly matter and it's made by humans or their robot extension arms. It's not surprising that some have congenital defects and that all need tlc.

Ridiculously over priced... Someone mentioned this in relation to a G Wagen.
I was looking with my son at dual cabs this week.
Hilux dual cab auto 70k . No accessories.
Seriously? Drum brakes and leaf springs. How did it arrive at that price? Ranger , BT 50?etc.
Stupid money for very little car.
Seriously drum brakes. There is no excuse for drum brakes in this century on a passenger vehicle.

I'm keen to see a new Defender. With Gadgets, but not mummy gadgets.
It just needs to be value for money AND not need to be replaced in 5yrs or so because the gizmos and contraptions are too flamin expensive to maintain or repair.

The new Defender if it arrives must be worth buying for purpose.
Not "good value" compared against some other vehicle.
Value for money- Something none of the dual cabs from any brand even resemble.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

D5 would be already done and well into production planning I think. Sent from my SM-G900I using AULRO mobile app

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When I say done, I mean in production and early market indications of success. The D5 is they're new cash cow. JLR need some assurance it will give a return before sticking their neck out and investing in a higher risk model.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Which are the dozen or so heavy duty work vehicles in market? The proliferation of mid-duty dualcab utes don't count.

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the big sales numbers are in the mid-duty range.

I have a POS hi-lux.......sure I exceed GVM in touring mode but for the other 48 weeks of the year it's street ahead of the defender I owned.

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Originally Posted by strangy

Ridiculously over priced... Someone mentioned this in relation to a G Wagen.
I was looking with my son at dual cabs this week.
Hilux dual cab auto 70k . No accessories.
Seriously? Drum brakes and leaf springs. How did it arrive at that price? Ranger , BT 50?etc.
Stupid money for very little car.
Seriously drum brakes. There is no excuse for drum brakes in this century on a passenger vehicle.

I'm keen to see a new Defender. With Gadgets, but not mummy gadgets.
It just needs to be value for money AND not need to be replaced in 5yrs or so because the gizmos and contraptions are too flamin expensive to maintain or repair.

The new Defender if it arrives must be worth buying for purpose.
Not "good value" compared against some other vehicle.
Value for money- Something none of the dual cabs from any brand even resemble.

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I took thought drum brakes on the POS Hi-lux........it brakes as good as any car out there, I haven't experienced any issues with brakes

Leaf springs....I would prefer coils like the new narvara

A SR hi-lux is nowhere near $70k...

Either way if there is ever a new defender (which I don't think there will be) but if there is it will be too end of pricing in the market space.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

So according to those figures virtually every new vehicle has a problem on average and the worst have two problems on average. Hmm splitting hairs?

Obviously in the real world some individual vehicles have many problems and some none. But that is across all makes and models.

Most interesting is the lack of take up of the refund or replacement for major failure law.

Ultimately a motor vehicle is an organism: it breathes, it consumes, it expels waste, it has a circulatory system, it's made of components derived from organic or earthly matter and it's made by humans or their robot extension arms. It's not surprising that some have congenital defects and that all need tlc.

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One analysis said most of the probkems with new cars are actually things like the phone won't connect to the Bluetooth or the sat nav isn't working right or the trim gap is too large, so not mechanial at all.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

One analysis said most of the probkems with new cars are actually things like the phone won't connect to the Bluetooth or the sat nav isn't working right or the trim gap is too large, so not mechanial at all.

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Agree......I have four service vehicles in my fleet at work.

Two years and 100's of thousands of kilometers and not one mechanical issue and this is across four brands....to me the modern car is very reliable.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

99.99........% of the world,.....etc etc,......man, what are you smokn'......I want some.
Pickles.

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Hahaha indeed. Outside of a LR forum 99.99999% of the world think your Defender and mine, is a......
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JEEP!

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