Why no TDV6?

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Originally Posted by uninformed

It has been a known fact for quite a few years now, that LR have used engines 2.5 and under to avoid extra taxes when exporting them to other European countries. That being their bread and butter sales wise. They do not care about Aus, USA or Africa. Which is evident in, among other things, the design of their cooling systems.

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European vehicle tax brackets used to be on engine size. But at some point they switched to CO2 emissions (which is fuel economy).
But both of course have the same outcome. Engines being down-sized and boosted more heavily in all vehicles.

The toyota 4.5 V8 in the 70 series is IMO an example of an engine with poor performance and fuel economy for it's size.

A family member has a 4.2 tdv8 vehicle and it has continual issues. Issues which I put down to the engine being oversized for the work it has to do. It literally doesn't work hard enough to burn itself clean internally. Fuel economy is also terrible.

Spoke to a dealer yesterday about the lack of TDV6, and he said that LR tried it.
But they decided against it for 2 reasons:
1) Lack of space in the engine bay without major redesign,
2) Because the Defender has a tow capacity of 3500kg, they found that if you tried to tow with that weight, and lots of power, you would just spin the wheels all the time.

Not sure how that stacks up really.

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Originally Posted by specwarop

Spoke to a dealer yesterday about the lack of TDV6, and he said that LR tried it.
But they decided against it for 2 reasons:
1) Lack of space in the engine bay without major redesign,
2) Because the Defender has a tow capacity of 3500kg, they found that if you tried to tow with that weight, and lots of power, you would just spin the wheels all the time.

Not sure how that stacks up really.

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What a load of BS! Typical dealer ego....

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Originally Posted by uninformed

So Pat, can you honestly say the Defender would not be a better vehicle with the 3.2 5cyl?

cewilson, While the 200tdi was good in its day, and has served you well. It was and still is underpowered for work use. If you are returning 10/100 towing 1.5t I would hate to be stuck behind you.

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Sorry mate just having a dig :p.The 3.2 isn't fitted so why bother worrying about it?. Pat

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Originally Posted by uninformed

It has been a known fact for quite a few years now, that LR have used engines 2.5 and under to avoid extra taxes when exporting them to other European countries. That being their bread and butter sales wise. They do not care about Aus, USA or Africa. Which is evident in, among other things, the design of their cooling systems.

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So why did Toyota sell the LC with no A/C,with suspension that has never worked,have overheated since day one,has a motor that wasn't designed nor fits properly in it and has different width axles because of the above motor in Aus but somehow they look after Aus?.We are a tiny market and will never have vehicles built just for us because we don't count on the Global market. Pat

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Originally Posted by uninformed

What a load of BS! Typical dealer ego....

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Service vehicles for a living Serg before commenting on engine fit,people complain about how mechanics rip them off all the time,it's down to fiddely time wasting on poorly designed engine bays. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Service vehicles for a living Serg before commenting on engine fit,people complain about how mechanics rip them off all the time,it's down to fiddely time wasting on poorly designed engine bays. Pat

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But then again, the TDV6 conversion has already been done in the UK. I assume that Land Rover lacked the appetite to spend megabucks on the R&D required to do the conversion themselves for what would be a tiny market.

I have no idea the size of the TDV6 compared to the 2.2L - but the current Defender with the 2.2L has bugger all room as it is...

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Originally Posted by specwarop

I have no idea the size of the TDV6 compared to the 2.2L - but the current Defender with the 2.2L has bugger all room as it is...

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Well the 110/Defender - even the 109 engine bay can take the petrol V8, the Isuzu 3.9, TDI and TD5 so i doubt there would be an issue putting the TDV6 in there - and it has been done in the UK.

Don't you just love all this speculation... :rolleyes:

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