Reply With QuoteHmmm... ABS isn't the problem. Like others have said, a little bit of training might be in order here.
Frankly, you just need to get it into reverse and drive down the hill, albeit backwards!
M
Wizard
SubscriberIs happened twice now, you say.
Some advice from my mum would fit, "....well stop doing what you are doing that makes it happen"
You need to do something about it, you say.
Listen to my mum. Try doing something else. I can't help but think that stall or key off, no touching the clutch, would see you stopped on the slope as you desired.
I can't help but think that selecting reverse and keying back on would see you driving back down in a controlled manner with ABS positively helping.
Stop when you want to take that second shot/line - select appropriate forward gear and be on your way.
I understand that would do what you wanted with an unwanted added step (engine off).
But no matter what else, listen to mum. Do stop doing what you know will cause you grief.
YarnMaster
Hmmm... ABS isn't the problem. Like others have said, a little bit of training might be in order here.
Frankly, you just need to get it into reverse and drive down the hill, albeit backwards!
M
Master
As promised on Defender2.net, after work I put the landy into low-range, got it up to 45kmh and then stomped on the brakes - ABS did kick in.
But that was without CDL on, so not sure if CDL on makes a difference
ChatterBox
I recall reading some years ago where someone wrote off a TD5 Defender when this happened.
I haven't experienced it but I would be wary.
Master
Also - don't forget you have a dumb handbrake (I.e. mechanical user operated).
You could, and possibly should, be using the handbrake once you can no longer proceed.
This does not solve the problem, but will certainly stop you rolling back.
Master
SupporterOK, I can take advise, but let me put it to you this way: If I take my 1958 series 1 up the exact same slope, I can almost get to the same point, and the series one will do what I want it to.......STOP....EVERY TIMEOriginally Posted by camel_landy
My query, after all thoes saying it is my driving style, is that the Defer with ABS/TC is not obeying my inputs as I want! The series 1 does, as does every other 4WD I have every driven up this particular slope!
The other point to mention is this is a general access track, and I don't want to go backwards!!! I'm not taking my Landrover out for a weekend stretch, it is actually working and is almost in low range every day! If it wont get up there, due to rain, load or whatever, then it gets winched up!
Master
SupporterI agree with you, it's not your driving style, it sounds as if you know what your doing, I absolutely hated the abs off road on my 08 puma, my 130s now without abs are a better machine to drive in the bush particularly in the steep country we work in on fire trails. I do not want an abs system to work backwards. I want to be able to lock the wheels up when I want. The feet of stall start approach works for most situations, but as I normally have about 1200kgs+ in the back! the last thing I need is to have all my feet off the pedals! you need to be able to pump the brake when you need to, not when a bloody computer wants you to!
Wizard
The first time I saw abs. give a problem was , I was a passenger in my mates p38 We were in the Vic. high country , he was in low going down a steep track , he touched the brakes , and the abs. started to pulsate back though the pedal . The vehicle started to run away , the brakes were not helping him at all , I pulled nice and steady on the hand break and we stopped . My mate had come from a classic Rangy with no abs. He has now mastered how to drive his p38 and the abs . but that first experience will take a long time to forget ..Jim..
Swaggie
Wrong Wrong Wrong
Have you actualy witnessed the difference ?
A car without ABS will stop sooner than one with ABS on a dirt/gravel/muddy road fact !
Why you ask a non ABS system will lock the wheels and the wheel,s will dig in building dirt up in front of them reducing the force of the car going forward Fact where ABS will release and brake to avoid lock up.
I did a advanced driving course at work 2 identical cars same speed , One car had the abs fuse removed a full hard brake stop at 60 ks on dirt = A good car and a half distance between the 2 , Mmmm why dont rally cars have abs
Like a said in another thread a while ago i have seen ABS and autos off road and it can be scary .
I like the T/C but hate ABS offroad and there is nothing wrong with my ABS .
I agree with ABS on bitumenJust not dirt or off road , My rant over
Wrong Wrong Wrong
Have you actualy witnessed the difference ?
A car without ABS will stop sooner than one with ABS on a dirt/gravel/muddy road fact !
Why you ask a non ABS system will lock the wheels and the wheel,s will dig in building dirt up in front of them reducing the force of the car going forward Fact where ABS will release and brake to avoid lock up
I did a advanced driving course at work 2 identical cars same speed , One car had the abs fuse removed a full hard brake stop at 60 ks on dirt = A good car and a half distance between the 2 , Mmmm why dont rally cars have abs
Like a said in another thread a while ago i have seen ABS and autos off road and it can be scary .
I like the T/C but hate ABS offroad and there is nothing wrong with my ABS .
I agree with ABS on bitumen
What? Nothing in my post was wrong.
I never said it will stop quicker... Or in a shorter distance.
Emergency situations are more often about avoiding a collision that stopping dead... This is where ABS shines.
I've seen the trials - and done several courses and training events... And on dead flat loose surfaces, travelling straight ahead you are spot on that the Non-ABS version (all other factors being equal) will stop shorter.
It's not very often in the world that situation presents through.
The non-ABS will head low side, slide uncontrollably, not be steerable and likely slam into whatever you wish to avoid.
Marble rock levels the playing field even further.
Autos and ABS offroad work absolutely fine... I've done everything offroad in both manual and auto with and without ABS and wouldn't be without it, especially on fast loose surfaces.
As for "Rally Cars don't have it..." They did... Once.
The governing body then removed its use from the regs...
You forget when you ask me have I seen or felt the difference that I spend large portions of my life driving all sorts of terrain offroad - primarily now in ABS equipped Autos!
I asked my colleagues this same question and not one has had an issue with ABS offroad.
You can hate your ABS offroad all you like... Or can learn to work with it... No different to learning how to drive to suit a vehicles suspension set up.
Enjoy
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