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    Old Girl Sally is dripping blood!

    I think I must be the very first 'fender owner to face this problem
    Pinion seal leak of the Salisbury rear diff in a defender

    Now, the long term plan is to re-build this unit with a centre that has been maxidrive broached and make it lockable. I bought all the bits off Brian in Sarina nearly a hundred years ago and I promise it is getting higher on the list.

    The leak is too annoying to ignore so I plan on fixing the leak and then worry about the locker later.

    Now like usual I have given myself plenty of time to do the job! Need to drive to Cairns tomorrow arvo. I have a new pinion seal but cannot arrange any other parts. I do however have a broad selection of hammers big and small to whack stuff until it works.

    This arvo I pulled the pinion nut (counting the turns) and used a puller to remove the pinion flange. It turns out the flange is already wearing a "speedi-sleeve" with a neat groove worn exactly where the seal runs!
    (My issue with speedi sleeves is that they are so thin, if the original component has a groove worn, the sleeve will very quickly match the groove! Anyway I digress)

    Now since this jigger needs to be sealed and spinning me south tomorrow hands up for the following options:

    1/ Bung in a new seal and be done with it
    2/ Remove buggered up speedi sleeve, take a light cut to smooth up the original flange on the lathe and hope a new seal will take up the difference.
    3/ Original flange is in the vicinity of 47.50mmOD with plenty of meat to the splines. So I could very easily turn the flange down to say ~42.20mmOD then take a slug of 4140 (I have some 50mm round bar in the box of keep-this-bit-it-will-come-in-handy-one-day) Turn a sleeve with a bore ID to match the ~42.20mm to a tight press fit say 1 thou and use appropriate heat to fit it to the pinion flange. Then finish turn the flange to an appropriate OD for the new sleeve. Obviously this is likely the best idea. The current speedi-sleeve in an unworn section measures 48.15mm. Is this a good OD to aim for?

    Anyway ramble off

    S
    '95 130 dual cab fender (gone to a better universe)
    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    I've had two done over the years.
    Get a seal with two lips.

    I'd bung on another speedie sleeve. If you do, post up the part number of the speedie sleeve.

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    thanks Mick

    Seal I have in my hand has two lips
    larger lip is 55.65mm in ID and sits 10.5mm in from seating lip
    smaller lip is 48.50mm in ID and sits 6.50mm in from seating lip

    Aint no speedi-sleeves in this village so I cant do that

    please choose from my three options!!!!

    S
    '95 130 dual cab fender (gone to a better universe)
    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    Steve, give it a clean up on the lathe and put a speedi sleeve on it with loctite underneath. Or use one of the new type flanges with the larger mudshield and you should never have to do it again- hopefully
    Cheers......Brian
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    Give the pinion a polish in the lathe pull the spring from the seal unwind cut 12mm off the end screw it back together and carry some extra oil

    Noel added a fourth
    Last edited by Ancient Mariner; 17th October 2014 at 07:55 PM. Reason: 4th option

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    Thanks Brian,
    No option for a speedi or new flange - but that might be a good option for a better fix

    Noel,
    I like your idea, I have previously heard of shortening a spring on a seal to improve grab on a reduced shaft.

    Maybe ill try that method tomorrow

    Regards
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    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    Steve if you decide to try it 12mm might be a bit much considering the SS try 6mm and see what the resistance feels like.A cheap KP type fix

    Noel

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    Quote Originally Posted by roverrescue View Post
    Thanks Brian,
    No option for a speedi or new flange - but that might be a good option for a better fix

    Regards
    s
    I could organise to send one to you Steve.
    Cheers......Brian
    1985 110 V8 County
    1998 110 Perentie GS Cargo 6X6 ARN 202516 (Brutus)

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    Better start driving - last weekend I drove past Sarina with a mate in a 2012 model 110 and thought of you! but it was a good 10 hours before I got back to Cookers

    This thing needs to be stitched up by lunchish tomorrow!!!!

    And to add a little interest, the seal I have is what those experts like to call
    "new old stock"
    The gator spring is rusted, still springy but no chance of shortening it up.

    Just how silly an idea (besides time) is it to make up a heat press fit sleev out of 4140 for the seal to ride on?

    S
    '95 130 dual cab fender (gone to a better universe)
    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    Bit late I guess, but next time you need something like this give me a yell and I can organise to get it to you asap even if I have to deliver it personally - my next trip up north won't be too far away, hopefully next year, and probably will be in a 6X6 perentie
    Cheers......Brian
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