2016 'Defender'

I had the older 3L Ranger, it was a nice CAR to drive. But when the going got serious (load up the tray wiht dirt or tow a heavy trailer) it had plenty of power, but I felt 1st was too fast and the chassis too flexy.

The new 3.2L Ranger is just a big fat car. I don't like it.

If I was to buy a new dual cab? I think I'd seriously look at a 2nd hand 110 or 130 depending on my needs at the time. Other than that I'd be going to every single manufacturer regardless of brand and test driving each car. See what feels the best. There are lots out there, but they all seem to be a bit soft, too car like to be a real work horse.

2016 defender? I hope that they don't go soft on it. Stuff like carpet and crap shouldn't be in there....

Crap like

Alpine windows
Sunroof
Alpine stereo & subwoofer
Leather seats
Metallic paint
Side steps
Tint

Your right, it's the beginning of the end.
Oh, and permently fitted beer fridge :angel:

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Crap like

Alpine windows been there forever
Sunroof madness I agree but I got one by default
Alpine stereo & subwoofer awesome compared to anything else I've had
Leather seats nice if you can afford them but canvas covers are better for me
Metallic paint irrelevant
Side steps whatever
Tint old fashioned

Your right, it's the beginning of the end.
Oh, and permently fitted beer fridge :angel:

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He he but none of that is relevant to the bushability of a new defender, except the built in beer fridge of course!

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Well, Which "path" will the "New" Defender go down?

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The same path it has always been going down, only safer, quieter and with fewer leaks :D

JLR have produced some pretty special designs lately, I'm sure they'll come up with something that honours the Defender's heritage while maintaining equal focus on the future.

Land Rover has been pretty clear in their intentions to run three distinct product lines, being Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. Range Rover will be the flagship luxury brand, Defender will be the lower cost, go-anywhere adventurer/utilitarian and Discovery will sit somewhere in between. Moving Defender production to Slovakia is no doubt a cost cutting measure, but if that means they can give us a brilliant new car that doesn't cost $100k then that's fine by me.

JLR learned their lesson with the DC100 concept, I don't think we're going to be too disappointed with what comes in 2018/19.

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Originally Posted by Andrew86

The same path it has always been going down, only safer, quieter and with fewer leaks :D

JLR have produced some pretty special designs lately, one design actually! ... just a few different sizes! I'm sure they'll come up with something that honours the Defender's heritage while maintaining equal focus on the future.

Land Rover has been pretty clear in their intentions to run three distinct product lines, really? I think they are all aimed at the same market, only the pricing is (slightly) different! being Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. Range Rover will be the flagship luxury brand, Defender will be the lower cost, go-anywhere arent they all supposed to be "go anywhere"?adventurer/utilitarian and Discovery will sit somewhere in between. Moving Defender production to Slovakia is no doubt a cost cutting measure, but if that means they can give us a brilliant new car that doesn't cost $100k then that's fine by me. if Defender is even anywhere near $100K!! I rest my case.

JLR learned their lesson with the DC100 concept, how do you know? I don't think we're going to be too disappointed with what comes in 2018/19.

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Hmmmm

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Crap like

Alpine windows meh... not needed
Sunroof My defender doesn't have one...
Alpine stereo & subwoofer OK yes this is nice to have BUT a bit over the top really.
Leather seats don't need nor want.
Metallic paint I actually didn't buy from my local dealer because that's all he would give me; chose to drive 400kms each way to get keswick green!
Side steps maybe rock sliders for protection
Tint aftermarket... but really not needed.

Your right, it's the beginning of the end.
Oh, and permently fitted beer fridge :angel:

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Beer fridge needs to be mandatory, I can't figure out why this isn't part of the ADR's yet.

Most of that stuff I have no problem with. Carpet I don't like in a car - it's way too hard to clean! Yes I know it sucks up bucket loads of noise, but I prefer to have easy cleaning.

I was actually referring more to electric seats and mirrors, over electrified computerized everything stuff. As well as all the extra pretty things that they bling cars with these days.

Like your style debruiser. 👍

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

one design actually! ... just a few different sizes!

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One design? There's a J in JLR, and the F-Type is one of the best looking cars around today. As for the Land Rover range, I quite like the styling they've got going at the moment. Of course they'll carry some of that 'brand DNA' through to the Defender, but JLR are the owners of the IP of one of the most recognisable silhouettes in automotive history and you can bet your bottom dollar they're going to retain elements of that design in the new car.

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really? I think they are all aimed at the same market, only the pricing is (slightly) different!

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If that were the case, no one would be buying the more expensive Rangies.

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arent they all supposed to be "go anywhere"?

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Sure, but not everyone wants to scratch their $500,000 SVAutobiography. They certainly don't suit the pig farmers of Somerset.

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how do you know?

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Because everyone hated it and Land Rover openly acknowledged that feedback.

"Reactions to the cartoonish DC100 (DC for Defender Concept) shown at the 2011 Frankfurt show were violent enough that Land Rover design guru Gerry McGovern issued a disclaimer, saying it was only 'the beginning of a four-year journey' to redesign a British icon as identifiable as Big Ben."

F-type Defender you reckon? Pfffft.

...umm, not only do ALL new model Land Rover models basically look the same...AND the same as virtually every other new SUV! ...and they are ALL aimed at the cashed up disurbanite market. Sorry but homogeneity does not equal diversity, no matter how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

F-type Defender you reckon? Pfffft.

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What? No. It's just a sign of their capacity to do great things.

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...umm, not only do ALL new model Land Rover models basically look the same...AND the same as virtually every other new SUV! ...and they are ALL aimed at the cashed up disurbanite market. Sorry but homogeneity does not equal diversity, no matter how you look at it.

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It sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder to me. Every brand has its 'look' that they replicate across the range to make sure people know what they're looking at.

There's no need to do that to the same degree with the Defender though. Its shape is a brand in itself that's been established over 65+ years. As I said, they're not going to throw that away for the sake of homogeneity.

The latest VW Beetle doesn't look anything like a Golf, and the next Defender will look nothing like a Discovery. Relax :)