Thread: Child Restraints in 110 Puma

could you make up some flat bar say 8-10mm that runs across the rear floor and is effectively sandwiched between the seat belt anchor points and the seat belt eyes. Then attach the child restraint points to the flat bar at the desired locations to suit the seat positions.
Surely if the seat belt anchor point will restrain a full size adult they will hold a 30kg child?

Originally Posted by blackapache

So i got some 8mm flat bar (mild steel) and had it cut to length and welded across the length of the cage i had holes tapped in it for the mounts. If you look at those bars they offer two mounting points only the cage offers 4-6 points of contact depending on your cage so its a no brainer really.

legally it should be engineer certified, mine wasnt. I had a mobile child seat installer come and help me install them, he never said a word about it.

I was thinking of something along similar lines, but figured I'd bolt it to the barrier rather than welding. And by bolting I mean fixing it with a plate on the other side, as opposed to drilling into the frame as I suspect that would weaken the barrier.

Originally Posted by jc109

And certification is only required for insurance purposes, right?

If your involved in a crash and someone is killed or seriously injured do to an uncertified anchor point I think insurance will be the last thing on your mind.

Originally Posted by shanegtr

If your involved in a crash and someone is killed or seriously injured do to an uncertified anchor point I think insurance will be the last thing on your mind.

Exactly! Which is why I said this in my original post:

Originally Posted by jc109

...I'm obviously interested in doing so safely...

It's fair enough to pick up on that query, but it doesn't really reflect my intentions. That was asked while trying to gain a full understanding of the process. At no point have I stated that I will not bother having the final product certified.

I'm simply not convinced that the off-the-shelf solutions are all that can be done, and many of the responses here support that view.

With the exception of one reasonable and considered remark regarding roll-overs (although I'm skeptical given the actual arrangement in my vehicle), the naysayers so far seem to be focused on certification and the merits of a ready-made item. I'm after some more critical advice on other home-made solutions that I suspect might be just as good, if done properly and with the advice of intelligent and experienced people such as found in this forum.

I'm just not all that convinced that a >$1000 obstruction in the rear of my vehicle is the only solution.

And IF a home-made solution seems to be the go, then I'd pursue certification.

And may I suggest the following alternative to your comment above?

Originally Posted by shanegtr

If your involved in a crash and someone is killed or seriously injured due to a faulty or inadequate anchor point, that happens to be uncertified, I think insurance will be the last thing on your mind.

Fair call, I reckon if your keen to do your own, then skip all the guys who sell/install anchor points and talk directly to an automotive engineer. Theres a list of them in this doco:
[ame]http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_VS_IB_102.pdf[/ame]
They of course will charge for the privilege of approving your installation, but at least they can sign it off and all should be legal and to your design/ideas
The aus standard for anchor points:
https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2012L00703

Cheers Shane.

No worries at all. Apologies if I was coming across the wrong way previously, I take the safety of my kids fairly seriously in the car, which unfortunately was put to the test last year.
For the record I had wesbar install 2 anchor points in the 3rd row of my disco and they where cheaper to get installed than a single extra point in my old 80 series that TL engineering did.