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    I understood an upgraded intercooler was required or strongly recommended for a BAS retune. Personally I'd be upgrading the cooling before I did anything to cause more heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    There are any number of performance air filters out there, but I believe the oem filter offers the best filtration?

    There is a detailed thread somewhere
    I understand that so-called performance filters work by letting more flow through so make the engine more vulnerable to ingesting dust and gunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchdoctor View Post
    Just got a response from Evans.
    This is a typically response we get from many people researching our product.
    I have no dog in this hunt, but interesting youtube clip of Jay Leno discussing Evans coolant.

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PykrgzWPQ[/ame]

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    Evans Waterless Coolent.

    Thanks El Ray. Ive seen that before and read loads of info from the UK on the product, hence my intent to use it when the new uprated radiator is fitted in 2 weeks.
    For those who think its snake oil, fair enough, dont use it. I'll let the group know of my experience with it either way. I just cant see any issues from any angle.
    Best wishes all.
    Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baytown View Post
    Thanks El Ray. Ive seen that before and read loads of info from the UK on the product, hence my intent to use it when the new uprated radiator is fitted in 2 weeks.
    For those who think its snake oil, fair enough, dont use it. I'll let the group know of my experience with it either way. I just cant see any issues from any angle.
    Best wishes all.
    Ken
    The only drawback (apart from the heat dissipation debate) that I saw on some forum post was someone saying Evans is 10 times thicker than water and so might not be suitable for some vintage cars with weak systems - but Leno's vehicles seem to answer that too.

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    It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist,I like the lasts for 20 years/makes the water pump last longer bull****,anybody that makes that claim will never get my money,complete bull****. Pat

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    I am puzzled about all of this.

    The Puma 2.2 and 2.4 engines have no known reliability issues to date in the Defender. They have enough power/torque for the intended use. They don't overheat. They don't have internal failures. They don't catch fire. They are pretty well sorted!

    The old adage... 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' springs to mind here!

    However, if the user desires it, I am all in for modifications to improve efficiency, power etc etc... bigger intercoolers with bigger turbos' and correct re-mapped ECU's by companies who specialise in the Defender, having spent hundreds of hours on the rolling road with appropriate sensors to improve on the conservative performance maps provided by JLR with their OEM offerings.

    Personally, I would not alter anything major unless I was after the above. And if that was the case, I would certainly do some serious research into options... having convinced myself that these options were things I definitely wanted!

    For me, the 'basic' BAS or Alive UK re-maps seem sensible options that I would probably go for if I was unhappy with the performance of my OEM 2.2. However, personally I am satisfied with it is, how it is. Aside from the 'rev hang'... but even that is a characteristic that I have quietly learnt to drive around.

    Just my 2c (p)!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOLO110 View Post
    I am puzzled about all of this.

    The Puma 2.2 and 2.4 engines have no known reliability issues to date in the Defender. They have enough power/torque for the intended use. They don't overheat. They don't have internal failures. They don't catch fire. They are pretty well sorted!

    The old adage... 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' springs to mind here!

    However, if the user desires it, I am all in for modifications to improve efficiency, power etc etc... bigger intercoolers with bigger turbos' and correct re-mapped ECU's by companies who specialise in the Defender, having spent hundreds of hours on the rolling road with appropriate sensors to improve on the conservative performance maps provided by JLR with their OEM offerings.

    Personally, I would not alter anything major unless I was after the above. And if that was the case, I would certainly do some serious research into options... having convinced myself that these options were things I definitely wanted!

    For me, the 'basic' BAS or Alive UK re-maps seem sensible options that I would probably go for if I was unhappy with the performance of my OEM 2.2. However, personally I am satisfied with it is, how it is. Aside from the 'rev hang'... but even that is a characteristic that I have quietly learnt to drive around.

    Just my 2c (p)!!
    When i had my remap done by Bruce Davis he told me that the cooling system is better in the 2.2 than the 2.4. Apparently the 2.4 has a tendency to go into limp mode when when pushed hard in a tuned state...id imagine he knows what hes talking about cause he's the only decent Defender tuner in sydney.

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    Thanks Yolo, its the Alive tune that Im getting from MRA in Redcliff. I forgot the name of the tune till you mentioned it.
    Pat, I realise Im waisting both my breath and my time replying, but bigger brains than yours or mine have researched and use the product. Yes, I could go with standard glycol radiator fluid, which is perfectly adequate, but if there is a product with benefits over it, I will trial it. The new generation of waterless coolant seems to be a better product than glycol.
    I run LED headlights and driving lights where as incandescent globes are adequate.
    I use gel batteries and will update to Lithium in the near future, where as lead acid would suffice.
    Surely using the latest technical advance isnt automatically a bad thing? Is that a fair and reasonable assumption to make?
    Best wishes.
    Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOLO110 View Post
    I am puzzled about all of this.

    The Puma 2.2 and 2.4 engines have no known reliability issues to date in the Defender. They have enough power/torque for the intended use. They don't overheat. They don't have internal failures. They don't catch fire. They are pretty well sorted!

    The old adage... 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' springs to mind here!

    However, if the user desires it, I am all in for modifications to improve efficiency, power etc etc... bigger intercoolers with bigger turbos' and correct re-mapped ECU's by companies who specialise in the Defender, having spent hundreds of hours on the rolling road with appropriate sensors to improve on the conservative performance maps provided by JLR with their OEM offerings.

    Personally, I would not alter anything major unless I was after the above. And if that was the case, I would certainly do some serious research into options... having convinced myself that these options were things I definitely wanted!

    For me, the 'basic' BAS or Alive UK re-maps seem sensible options that I would probably go for if I was unhappy with the performance of my OEM 2.2. However, personally I am satisfied with it is, how it is. Aside from the 'rev hang'... but even that is a characteristic that I have quietly learnt to drive around.

    Just my 2c (p)!!
    There is another reason to go for a tune, the one I was seeking a solution for: Getting the EGR shut off properly. Read heaps about how to do it and shortcomings of physical blanking etc. Best, I decided, was to just get it turned off in a tune.

    The greater power/torque and, more importantly, the improvements in driving smoothness were at first just fantastic side benefits (not primary desires).

    In my case - the 150AB tune hooked me on the power/torque boost and I straight away ordered the upgrade to 170hp and the requisite larger/better intercooler!
    Neil
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