Thread: 2.2 puma 130 engine failure

A bit of a thread revival, but most of the pertinent info is in this thread so thought I'd reply here rather than start a new topic.


My 2.2 puma has over 120,000km on it now and due to this thread, some other tales of woe, and Dazza's advice on this forum, I've decided to replace the injectors.
This is where the fun starts.....


The LR part number for these injectors is LR032067 and is clearly shown as the correct part (Conti number 2910000177400) on Conti's website:




However, back when these were branded as Siemens/VDO, the LR032067 number was cross-referenced to a VDO part number A2C59517051.
This is a snapshot from an online seller still showing an old VDO branded box:




I have purchased some Continental branded injectors which show the A2C59517051 part number, however the Conti website says these aren't for a Defender and are for Ford/Citroen/Peugeot:




This is all very similar to a thread on Defender2.net!!
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - 2.2 Defender OEM injector issue - knocking/rattling



I have contacted the vendor, who assures me that even if he tries to order the Conti number 2910000177400, he will be sent part number A2C59510751 anyway.
He has even sent me a copy of an old VDO part catalogue which cross references the part numbers as the same.


I have also contacted Conti directly and asked them if the Conti branded part A2C59510751 is OK to use in a Defender. I've had an auto-reply requesting some more info, but yet to get a definitive answer.


So has anyone who has replaced their 2.2 puma injectors with Conti parts received the 2910000177400 or the A2C59510751?
And if you've got the latter, do they work OK?


Cheers.

I'm struggling with the same issue.

I found this crowd locally: SIEMENS COMMON RAIL INJECTOR. LAND ROVER DEFENDER. A2C53421318 – Euro Car Parts Australia and the alt part listed there also corresponds to what is on my injectors i.e. BH1Q-9K546-AB so I was going to order ... but never got around to it. In the meantime they have gone up $110+ (I think they were $435 when I was initially looking). This was the only place I could find them with that 2910000177400 part number who list the other part number as separate: A2C595170751 SIEMENS COMMON RAIL INJECTOR. FORD / MAZDA 2.2LTR AND 3.2LTR. – Euro Car Parts Australia

Others (like Baileys 403 Forbidden) list them as one and the same.

So am at a loss too and would like to know.

PS Yes I got nervous after reading that thread on defender2.net some time back as well

I received a reply from Conti's technical support service overnight and, surprise surprise, they are adamant that only the 2910000177400 is suitable for use in the 2.2 puma Defender.
I guess it's possible that the current Conti team may be unaware of the supposed shared part history, but even if they are aware of the history (which they may have concluded was incorrect?), they have clearly differentiated the parts by number and usage so you have to assume they have a reason for doing so!

As an upshot of this, I've asked my supplier if they can source the correct Conti branded LR032067/2910000177400 parts.

I have fitted a countless amount of A2C59510751 injectors.
i think this thread and people are over thinking about info that they arent full bottle on.

the part numbers are likely VDO or siemens or Conti and at some point as Conti bought all the others it became one part number.
the part number with the letters/number that end in AB, AC etc are ford part numbers.

I would be FAR MORE concerned about whom installs them and calibrates them.
I also reset or calibrate the HPFP every service now after having a good chat with a Ford Transit repairer, he does it on all Transits and has far less issues.

And as a comparison, he had a rack full of failed 2.2 engines, him and his worker had a good laugh at me saying the 2.4 / 2.2 are one of the best / reliable engines that have been in a Defender.

P.S and as for Conti tech saying this and that, I take that with a pinch of salt.
I recently had Makita Australia technical bluh bluh say to my local tool shop that the warranty on two of my tools is almost up (within 3 days of a 12month warranty ending) and that anymore repairers on 2 tools would have to be paid for. The actually fact is according to MyMakita App because I reg'd my tools have a 5 year warranty AND even if I hadnt of reg'd my tool on the app they still have a flat 3 year warranty. So "tech support" in general know **** all about **** all

Yeah I'm possibly being a bit too paranoid!
And I agree it matters who installs and calibrates them.

However, it's not that they have become one part number under Conti (and therefore they're all the same) it's that they probably WERE one part number under Siemens/VDO but now Conti insist that they're different.

We can all agree that the correct part is LR032067 and under Siemens/VDO that maybe WAS A2C59510751 but under Conti it isn't.

If I had received a VDO branded boxed part that said LR032067 and A2C59510751 I'd probably not be concerned.
But I've ordered part LR032067 and received a Conti box that doesn't say LR032067 anywhere, nor does it have the Conti part number that they say is applicable for my vehicle. So surely I'm not being too fussy in asking for what I ordered??

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

I also reset or calibrate the HPFP every service now after having a good chat with a Ford Transit repairer, he does it on all Transits and has far less issues.

Is this something a DIYer can do on the 2.2 or does it need some specialised gear? I notice this option isn’t there on the BAS or GAP tool for the 2.2 so bit lost there on how one goes about it.

And yes 100% overthinking on my part but I’m a complete novice! Always appreciate your input and expertise here.

Originally Posted by DieselDan

Yeah I'm possibly being a bit too paranoid!
And I agree it matters who installs and calibrates them.

However, it's not that they have become one part number under Conti (and therefore they're all the same) it's that they probably WERE one part number under Siemens/VDO but now Conti insist that they're different.

We can all agree that the correct part is LR032067 and under Siemens/VDO that maybe WAS A2C59510751 but under Conti it isn't.

If I had received a VDO branded boxed part that said LR032067 and A2C59510751 I'd probably not be concerned.
But I've ordered part LR032067 and received a Conti box that doesn't say LR032067 anywhere, nor does it have the Conti part number that they say is applicable for my vehicle. So surely I'm not being too fussy in asking for what I ordered??

yes I agree that under Conti its all changed.

well if I order LR032067 the box has a sticker on it with LR032067, the box is the orange/black Conti box.
maybe order from a place that puts a LR032067 sticker on it
I'm only kidding, I dont see it as an issue, I vaguely remember years ago that the white/blue boxes (vdo, siemens) might have had a different manufacturers number on it.

a genuine one i'm guessing will only have a LR032067 number on it, but at $1100 each.

Originally Posted by Lagerfan

Is this something a DIYer can do on the 2.2 or does it need some specialised gear? I notice this option isn’t there on the BAS or GAP tool for the 2.2 so bit lost there on how one goes about it.

And yes 100% overthinking on my part but I’m a complete novice! Always appreciate your input and expertise here.

i think from memory the GAP tool has a reset option for the HP pump.
I use a snapon tool and do it as a transit etc