A sad Day. Goodby Deefer.

**1nando** · 17th December 2015, 08:17 PM

This is a sad story......mine was very similar with 2 gearboxes, 3 rear diffs, outputshaft, shims, rear axles, front prop shaft, rear yoke, hose leak......im sure ive forgotten something. The difference is i eventually stopped going to land rover and took my car to bruce davis and graeme cooper, and would you believe i haven't had a problem since.....touch wood.

In your case there are a couple of things to consider:
1) the lemon laws protect you as a consumer even after warranty expires. Any recurring issue that happens after warranty period that was not fixed during warranty period needs to be fixed by your dealer. If they dont you have been sold a faulty product and are entitled to a refund. I suggest you google nsw lemon laws and do some reading. I have used these in the past with LR australia to great success.
2) a LR experienced mechanic makes a huge difference. You need to get the vehicle serviced by people who own these vehicles and travel all around australia in them. Their experience is worth every dollar. I have no affiliation with Bruce Davis or Graeme Cooper, but having gone through a terrible experience and almost buying a toyota i can tell you they saved my car and couldnt be happier today.

Defenders are a great beast in that some have to be conquered to be enjoyed. It should not be like that when purchasing a new car, not in todays age but once sorted the vehicle will last a long time.

Good luck my friend

2.2 110 limited edition, Davis remap, intercooler, exhaust, terrafirma 30mm wheel spacers, snorkel, first four bb, apt tree sliders, apt diff guards, terrafirma rear bumprettes, mantec rear wheel carrier, Uniden UHF, hema HN7, roof rack, custom made rear draws, dual battery setup, hella ralye 4000 xenon lights, Engel fridge setup, puresine invertor.......coming soon upgraded suspension, diff locks and 33s, nearly finished......

**steane** · 17th December 2015, 08:40 PM

There must be a way to fix the turbo hose. Getting the dealer to the same thing over and over isn't working. Silicon hose and decent hose clamps?

Other than that, what you are experiencing can happen with any make or model, even Toyota. Just talk to a few D4D owners prepared to tell the truth.

MN Tritons are dropping like flies as have some fairly serious head/block machining issues that causes the head gasket to fail. A full rebuild fixes it.

The Defender engine is doing service in a gazillion Transit vans. Get it fixed properly by a independent as suggested below and enjoy it.

I wouldn't bother with the stress of taking on LR over it.

**stealth** · 17th December 2015, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by PAT303

Um,it's a turbo hose,it's really like just a hose

. Pat

I'm with you Pat.

Or I could relate my tale of Land Rover woe.

In the the last three years of driving my Defender I've have 15 flat tyres. I'm not joking either!!

**Col 110** · 17th December 2015, 09:37 PM

Sad story and I hope you can find a way out of this.

I have a new 110 and it has been perfect for 3 months - I am almost reluctant to modify it as it is running so well!

Marty90 · 17th December 2015, 10:15 PM

The problem with getting the vehicle repaired under warranty,unless it's a recall,is that they keep repairing it to the same standards,i.e not repairing them at all,since the original problem remains. That goes for the diffs or anything else.If you have a problem with a diff under warranty,you just get another LR diff,nothing changes,so why do you think the problem has been fixed?Everytime I've had something fail on a car I've always repaired it using a superior replacement. It's just a hose.Get one fitted at a Landy specialist and enjoy the ride.

**Wicks89** · 17th December 2015, 10:43 PM

Dont be afraid to talk to consumer affairs about this stuff.

Also, do the math on the $$ it may cost more to abandon it and buy a new car rather than seeing a specialist like graeme cooper. At least get a second opinion before you subject yourself to paying for a car you dont have any more.

**steveG** · 17th December 2015, 11:14 PM

James, if I can put a positive spin on it - sounds like you've only had a couple of problems and are not faced multiple different issues and "what's going to break next". As others have said, get the turbo hose sorted out properly by someone independent who deals with either turbo's or Landies.

I don't have a Puma, and my only experience with them is driving one around southern Africa for a couple of months in May/June this year. It did actually die on us in the Central Kalahari and end up with a 300km tow to Maun - but that's a different story

From what I've picked though, if you've got one that hasn't suffered from major mechanical issues early on then its probably a good one and worth sticking with.

Have a serious think about what you're likely to achieve by taking on LR over it. IMO if you're already struggling to cope with with the impending conflict, then you need to be pretty confident that the outcome is going to be worth it. If not, you might be better to put the energy/time/$$$ into fixing it yourself and walk away from the conflict.

Steve

**LoveB** · 18th December 2015, 06:51 AM

I have been on a tow truck twice for the turbo hose. If I'm out of warranty by then I plan on just using silicon hoses. fingers crossed I dont run across any other problems

**spudboy** · 18th December 2015, 07:45 AM

That's a sad tale

I am selling my 2007 PUMA at the moment, but not because it is unreliable but because we need a ute. Seems like you either get a good one or a "Friday afternoon" one.

**JamesB71** · 18th December 2015, 09:21 AM

Thanks for your input guys, and I fully expected the die hards would suggest that I persevere... and if it was only the turbo hose I would.

In fact I had decided after the most recent turbo hose blow that I would just let the warranty lapse, replace the hose with a good set, carry spares and tools and carry on.... but then it overheated and all the coolant went missing. It didnt come out on the road, so either its gone into the engine through the head or into the exhaust through the reflux valve. Its at the dealer being dealt with now, and will be for sale as soon as its done.

I also do a LOT of kms, and many of them are in remote areas. Its all well and good to persevere with a car when you are generally within towing distance, or you have backup. Im relying on this to get me out of very remote places that would cost a fortune to get towed from.

To the guys who think this is acceptable and would persevere; How many times would you think a brand new car should be floated before its untenable?

Also now that it is coming out of warranty, I have no confidence it wont blow a head gasket and cook, in which case how much will I be personally out of pocket for a new motor?

Every time this thing has died, I have said "Maybe this means all the bugs are finally ironed out and it will be ok from now on", but it just keeps happening.

I bought this car with the intention of driving it for the next 20 years, but at the rate that it breaks down, I just cant live with the stress and inconvenience. My boss is starting to get seriously ****ed off that I keep ringing up with car problems. Its cost me over a weeks worth of holidays, one day at a time, every time it dies. Ive spent a lot of time sitting by the side of the road, or in the dealership waiting for it to be repaired. You shouldnt be dealing with that sort of rubbish in a modern, new, 50K plus vehicle.

If someone loves them, doesnt mind working on them, is willing to put up with it dying on them every 13,000kms or so, then they will get a bargain buying mine. Or maybe this is the last problem and someone will buy it and never have a problem. Either way, I cant live with the stress any more.

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