Thread: Defenders on "Car Sales."

Originally Posted by carlschmid2002

You can't compare the two. I love Defenders, but if you really think a used Defender is worth $56000 to $75000 then I might have a bridge to sell you. It looks like a coat hanger and its in the state where they have forgotten how to play Rugby League. I have owned a Defender and now drive a D3. They are completely different. I know which one I would rather have with a young family. It can tow better, I can hear the stereo, it has better fuel economy and I don't have to wait for overtaking lanes.

Cheers Carl, enjoy. ...By the way, if you can't compare the two, why are you looking at Defenders on car sales? how do you know they are completely different from each other? How do you know which one you would prefer? And why is everyone on here so intent on comparing them?

Defenders are better than Disco's IMO. I know because after comparing them I've decided that I like them more.

Originally Posted by carlschmid2002

You can't compare the two. I love Defenders, but if you really think a used Defender is worth $56000 to $75000 then I might have a bridge to sell you.

I'll take the bait. I absolutely think late model Defenders are worth current asking prices, and they'll hold that value a hell of a lot better than a Disco (especially given the D5 is about to drop).

I agree that the two shouldn't be compared, but you only have to look at the prices people pay for air cooled 911s and E30 BMWs to see that there is value in simplicity.

Obviously the Defender isn't going to be to everyone's taste. It's a bit of a lump of a thing. I love mine though, and I don't think there's another car this side of six figures that could feel as special.

Thanks Greg2247
The dealer said it only went on the yard on Saturday, was sold on Sunday but the finance fell though and I secured it over the phone first thing Monday.
Col 110 you will be seeing this one around North Richmond (including Pecks Rd) in the next week or so. This will be my 5th Defender, only two at home now. Love them, no plans to ever sell.


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Originally Posted by Andrew86

I'll take the bait. I absolutely think late model Defenders are worth current asking prices, and they'll hold that value a hell of a lot better than a Disco (especially given the D5 is about to drop).

I agree that the two shouldn't be compared...

Agreed Andrew. But you just compared them on price in your first para!

Of course they can be compared. It's interesting. There are whole threads on here doing so.

I did 50000kms in a MY12 Defender 90 and I absolutely loved and as previously stated if I had of bought a 110 back then I would probably still have it. Maybe I am just getting old and soft but after owning the D3 I wouldn't go back for a daily drive. I have spent years driving Perenties and Mogs and I am full aware of there offroad ability, but other than the 6x6 variant IMO the D3 is better. Did I mention the cold aircon, the ability to hear the stereo and the air suspension. We all have our individual tastes and I love Defenders I just find the Disco easier to live with. Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. When I win lotto there will be a Defender in my garage, but for now I will spend my hard earned bucks on a Disco 4.

Originally Posted by carlschmid2002

I did 50000kms in a MY12 Defender 90 and I absolutely loved and as previously stated if I had of bought a 110 back then I would probably still have it. Maybe I am just getting old and soft but after owning the D3 I wouldn't go back for a daily drive. I have spent years driving Perenties and Mogs and I am full aware of there offroad ability, but other than the 6x6 variant IMO the D3 is better. Did I mention the cold aircon, the ability to hear the stereo and the air suspension. We all have our individual tastes and I love Defenders I just find the Disco easier to live with. Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. When I win lotto there will be a Defender in my garage, but for now I will spend my hard earned bucks on a Disco 4.

Cheers Carl. In comparison, I love my Defender as my daily drive. It's practicality in all circumstances can't be matched IMO. The simple hose out interior, straightforward suspension set up, clearance, load carrying capacity, visibility are all better than D4 IMO. Aircon, heating, stereo, all excellent, best seating position and above all the pragmatic no frills knockabout nature of Defender make it the pick for me. If I won lotto I still wouldn't buy a Disco. I'd donate the $80K to a very worthy charitable cause and continue enjoying my Defender.

I think Mr Landy thinks "Denial" is a river in Egypt.

"Daily driver" this is why mine has gone oh and price. I was constantly searching for more power and an auto. As a daily driver they would have to be the worst vehicle to come to mind.

And if you think daily driver is drive half hour to work, park it all day then drive half hour home, I don't consider that a daily driver.
When your in and out of it all day, driving different locations, fighting traffic, then I'm sure it will grind you down. Apart from that all else is recreational driving.

They are what they are and yes I love them but I don't want to drive it all day everyday. I will look for an older Defender as a toy down the track and do my LS3 with auto but if I have to travel anywhere long distance I think it will be a no brainer which vehicle I will open the door of in the garage. And most would if they have the choice.

If it's a short trip or even a planned day/weekend rock crawling well you'd take the Defender out for a play, wouldn't you.

Peter Sinclair sums it up perfect in one of his YouTube vids, "Baboons Pass" his D4 did the trek with all other vehicles being Defenders, he had to take a lot more care with his driving to avoid damage on wheels and vehicle, nonetheless he did it fairly easy and to his surprise.
He sums it up in a closing at the end of the vid, they have an 8 hour (or whatever) drive ahead of them back home and he says "I know which one I'd rather drive home in". Ha ha ha

No one is knocking the Defender, we all own them, love them, have a passion for them but "Get Real" you can't compare them to a D3/4 for a daily driver. We all know how practical they are, hose out, bolt on, simple construction Bla Bla Bla.

They are a recreational/commercial vehicle built only for one purpose and one purpose only, and it does its job it was intended to do exceptionally, that is OffRoad!
They are not built for comfort, power, ergonomics, safety, refinement and so on. You get what you're given.

I still love them, I wouldn't sell mine for anything, Oops oh hang on

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Originally Posted by Babs

I think Mr Landy thinks "Denial" is a river in Egypt.

"Daily driver" this is why mine has gone oh and price. I was constantly searching for more power and an auto. As a daily driver they would have to be the worst vehicle to come to mind.

Was that spiel on why you sold your Defender for our benefit, or yours? I'd be careful throwing around the word 'Denial'

I don't know what you're on about anyway, I look for any excuse to take my Defender out. I love driving it - any distance, anywhere. It's involving, engaging and entertaining to boot. The leather seats are awesome, the sound system has loads of punch and it has plenty of power if you stay on top of things.

The D4 is longer, significantly wider and half a tonne heavier (than a 110). I wouldn't call that urban friendly. For reference, a 110 is only 20cms longer than a Ford Focus, and it's narrow track and corner-to-corner visibility makes it a breeze around town. The only real downside is the turning circle.

So I guess you can compare the two, but they remain very different beasts. Personally, I'd take a gear stick over an arm chair any day of the week