The "New" Defender, ...Your Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Andrew86

Let's not forget that JLR has invested half a billion GBP in its Ingenium 2L turbo diesel that has only recently started its life. They're going to want to get a decent return on that investment before replacing it with alternative technologies. It makes a lot of sense for it to be at the heart of the next Defender.

I'm sure electric vehicles are on their roadmap, but I think 2020 is too soon for it to be in a volume seller like the Defender is intended to be. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some sort of electric-hybrid technology appearing in the Range Rover fleet in that time frame though.

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They didn't just make Ingenium for themselves,they are going to sell ''crate'' motors to other manufactures so they don't need to invest 100's millions in R/D to meet stricter regulations,just buy off the shelf.Land Rover continue's to make very clever decisions. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

I'm old enough to remember when the 110 arrived,people carried on about how real 4wd's have leaf springs and wash out interiors,how did that change turn out ;). Pat

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Well Pat, the majority of 'commercial' 4X4's still have leaf springs, but none can be hosed out. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Dervish

No brakes now?

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It's very old proven technology,traction motors set up this way have done more work in harsher conditions than we'll ever put them through fitted in a 4wd. Pat

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Three words. Hybrid diesel electric.

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I've previously used those three words. I'm not saying the next Defender will start out an EV just that it will finish up an EV and the platform will need to allow for that.

Hybrids are the stepping stone, but it won't be too many years before they are obsolete as well.

Diesel is on the way out. Ingenium, despite the money spent, will have a shorter lifespan than expected when development first started. Some of the world's largest car manufacturers are turning their back on diesel and going straight to electric over the next decade. Diesel is a dead end now, thanks in a big way to dieselgate.

TD5 had a short run too. As did 2.4 and 2.2 puma. As they should given emissions / fuel consumption have barely changed since Tdi. Solar/electric can't come quick enough. The Mars Rover will need to be the Environment Defender.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Well Pat, the majority of 'commercial' 4X4's still have leaf springs, but none can be hosed out. Go figure.

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Please don't tell me you want to go back to leafs. Pat

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

TD5 had a short run too. As did 2.4 and 2.2 puma. As they should given emissions / fuel consumption have barely changed since Tdi. Solar/electric can't come quick enough. The Mars Rover will need to be the Environment Defender.

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The Tdi's ran for about 10 years,the Td5 for 6,the Puma's for 16.The TDCi doesn't return the Tdi's economy but the Tdi doesn't return the TDCi's performance so even stevens. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

The Tdi's ran for about 10 years,the Td5 for 6,the Puma's for 16........ Pat

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And just for comparison, the first Rover diesel ran, with updates, for 34 years. Even if you just consider the 2.25, it ran for 22 years.

(Of course, some engines have run a lot longer - for example, Ford's flat head V8 ran for about fifty years, and VW's aircooled four ran for more than fifty. Rover's V8 ran for about thirty years.)

John

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Please don't tell me you want to go back to leafs. Pat

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As you well know Pat, I regard four coils as better than any other suspension set up.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

As you well know Pat, I regard four coils as better than any other suspension set up.

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A good air suspension set up would be better,as long as it is working correctly :D;)