Thread: What sort of kms can one expect from the Puma 2.4/2.2 engines?

Originally Posted by djam1

Re the Prado this one was a 120 though
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Yeah, it's a bit of a worry and seems like it's also a bit of a hit and miss as to who it happens to.... The injector Seals were the 1st thing that people blamed, which Toyota did do a recall on, then it was the injectors that people blamed and Toyota eventually changed their design. Just when you think all is ok, u then find out that there is a possible Piston design flaw that Toyota has quietly changed the design of and strengthened. This is one thing that ticks me off that they know there is a design flaw and that they don't let it be known until all goes south when the engine stops.....

Read Diggers Puma saga. From memory his first failure was not long after his 1st or second service.

Originally Posted by Robmacca

Yeah, it's a bit of a worry and seems like it's also a bit of a hit and miss as to who it happens to.... The injector Seals were the 1st thing that people blamed, which Toyota did do a recall on, then it was the injectors that people blamed and Toyota eventually changed their design. Just when you think all is ok, u then find out that there is a possible Piston design flaw that Toyota has quietly changed the design of and strengthened. This is one thing that ticks me off that they know there is a design flaw and that they don't let it be known until all goes south when the engine stops.....

All I've ever read about Toyota's is how reliable they are,500,000km's is the norm. Pat

Originally Posted by rar110

Read Diggers Puma saga. From memory his first failure was not long after his 1st or second service.

I'd say failure that early mean's it was faulty from new,**** happens.The D4D's and the earlier KV whatever Prado/Hilux engines have been catastrophically failing from start to finish,you just don't hear about it because Toybota owners are too busy bagging LR/Nissan owners. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

All I've ever read about Toyota's is how reliable they are,500,000km's is the norm. Pat

I have no doubt that some or a lot of Toyotas do get to those sort of kms and beyond, just like some LR's do also, but with the increase in Technology to get more & more out of even smaller capacity engines, then to me those sort of BIG kms out of the modern diesel engines will become distant memories... Some might even move back to petrol engines as I've been told there has been some good advancements with petrol engines in fuel efficiency, etc. Mazda apparently is one that is working on a new design high compression petrol engine.

just my thoughts though, I could be wrong though

This discussion has been going on for ever,the trouble is Toyota have only made one good diesel engine,the 1HD-FTE,all the rest have been fit for boat anchors or land fill. Pat

The transit is a world icon just like the defender. It is renowned for hard work and very long milage.....need i say more?
As for technology and smaller engines blah blah blah....i dont buy it as being a step backwards. Extracting more power from a smaller engine doesn't make it inferior just more effiecient. The statement i just made is going to get some peoples nickers in a twist but thats the truth.
A lot of people hold the cruiser v8 as the bees knees for a 4wd truck. Why? Cause its big and it doesn't work as hard and blah blah blah. It makes more power and torque than our modern 5 ton hino. Could it do what our 5 toner does everyday? Bet my mortgage it wouldn't. I wont even mention our 3 toner with close to 300,000kms on the clock and a LOT less power and torque than the vdj.
Working engines are generally slow low down torque motors that when driven for intended purpose seem barely adequate, most people would drive a truck at payload and say; f@$k this things gutless not realizing that the vehicle is capable of pulling that load all day long and year on year.
The transit is a heavily used and abused working engine in a vehicle designed to do a job and built for a purpose.....that criteria sounds very familiar to the criteria LR needed to tick when choosing an engine. My 2 cents

Ps people on this site give me heaps for always relating the defender back to trucks but the defender is in my eyes a working vehicle built for a purpose.
A defender is noisy, clunky, cumbersome to maneuver, has live axles and a excellent payload....sound familar to a truck?
Anyone who says no way is looking for a reason to argue or has never driven heavy vehicles. I drive both daily