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Thread: Is my front high or my rear low?

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    Is my front high or my rear low?

    After installing a Rijidij front bar - thanks again Murray - and a winch with synthetic rope, I noticed the front sag a little on the standard 110 coils. So I installed a set of HD springs and it of course fixed that sag, but it's been haunting me that maybe it fixed it too good. Or at least get a funny feeling about how it looks - a slight nose up, rather than a more pleasing nose down.

    My setup would be nowhere near as heavy as an ARB bar and steel cable (I don't think), so I get worried that it's riding too high. Then late at night I think about the angle of the front prop shaft and the challenge of lifting Puma defenders, and I know logically that theres no way its that high - I mean they're the coils that are standard on 130s. But still I stress.

    I've got some weight at the back but not enough to account for the nose up look I didn't think. Currently 'unloaded' with drifta drawer with tools, front runner water tank, roof rack and rooftop tent. So thats like 150-200kgs? You can see in the second photo its the same without the rooftop tent though.

    Measurements from the centre of the hub to the guard (or eyebrow in Land Rover speak) is:
    Front 51cm
    Rear 48cm

    Three centimeters on a two and half meter tall car doesn't sound like much but it bugs me. It gets worse when loaded for a trip. All I want is the perfect defender ya know.

    Should I just go back to standard front coils? Should I think about rear helper springs? Should I go airbags? Full air suspension to help leveling for the rooftop tent? Should I just shut up and spend more time in the car going places than outside of it debating an inch of height?

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    I think the front is too high if those pictures are unloaded.

    Thats how mine used to sit with HD coils.

    Unloaded i I have a rake. Rear should be higher

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    For the front end I've found 90mm bump stop clearance on a "Puma" is ideal. You can get away with 95mm, but the backlash in the drive train will feel worse, any more than that and the front prop will start talking to you.

    Les Richmond Automotive "Rangie Pink" front coils have given me a 90mm front bump stop clearance with an ARB bar and Warn winch fitted. They are a bit soft, but are available off the shelf so to speak.

    Hope this helps,

    Tim

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    I had the same issue, but with an ARB bar, Warn Winch & steel cable. The difference was 1.5 cm.

    I got HD airbags installed in the rear coils. she now has a slight nose down look - looks like it should

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    The ride height doesn’t look quite right, but the Keswick and white HD rims do.

    The first thing I suggest you do is measure the bump stop clearances to work out whether the front needs to come down or the rear can go up. These are the dimensions you need to work to as the body dimensions can be a little vague on a Defender.

    Once you have a bump stop clearance you can relate it to the hub to guard measurement to make it easier. Being a Defender the hub to guard measurement is not necessarily an accurate comparison between vehicles. Just as an aside, I find it easier to measure from the bottom of the rim to the guard - it’s easier to be more accurate.

    The front bumpstop clearance on a 110 should be 72mm +/-15 and the rear should be 130 +/-15.

    FWIW when mine was brand new and unmolested the front bump stop clearance was 70mm (510 hub to guard) and the rear was 125mm (535 hub to guard). In each case the driver’s side was 10mm lower (typical Land Rover).

    Now it’s become a lard-arse it’s down to 50 at the front and 100 at the rear, but it’s now the same on each side. When I finally get around to fitting a winch and a rear wheel carrier it will go down even more and then I will start looking at upgrading springs too.

    Cheers,
    Jon

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    Probably a dumb question, but did you put HD coils in the rear as well? You didn't say.

    You got me curious, so I just measured my 2009 Puma 110 from hub centre to wheelarch flare and it is:

    48cm Front
    52cm Rear

    So, the front is down a little but the rear seems OK.
    The front has an ARB bar and an Ironman winch with synthetic cable. The rear has ORS aluminum drawers (45 kg) and a 30 litre fridge.
    The coils are standard, but the rear has Airbag Man airbags with 10 lbs.
    I have wondered about going to HD coils, but don't want to make it too stiff.
    I'm undecided.

    Maybe you should add rear airbags to level it up with a load. The airbags also firm up the ride and roll a bit.

    Are you happy with the ride?

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    HD Suspension

    I also have the same steel rims. When I had the 'build' done it was explained to me that when steel hubs were ordered they also fitted the HD suspension.
    Unless your rims were an aftermarket fit I think you should have the above as well.

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    Thanks everyone. I'll get out there with a tape measure in the morning and measure the distance to the bump stops. This is starting to look like a good excuse to get some airbags though.....

    Oh and I'm happy with the ride at the moment. The drawers etc that live in the back permanently take the edge off nicely. The front doesn't seem to be harsh at all.

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    Just measured and I’m at approx 83mm both front and rear.

    So they’re both a little out of whack but it seems more a case of the rear sitting a bit too low. The front is still at least in “spec”

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Probably a dumb question, but did you put HD coils in the rear as well? You didn't say.

    You got me curious, so I just measured my 2009 Puma 110 from hub centre to wheelarch flare and it is:

    48cm Front
    52cm Rear

    So, the front is down a little but the rear seems OK.
    The front has an ARB bar and an Ironman winch with synthetic cable. The rear has ORS aluminum drawers (45 kg) and a 30 litre fridge.
    The coils are standard, but the rear has Airbag Man airbags with 10 lbs.
    I have wondered about going to HD coils, but don't want to make it too stiff.
    I'm undecided.

    Maybe you should add rear airbags to level it up with a load. The airbags also firm up the ride and roll a bit.

    Are you happy with the ride?
    I got curious too... my 2014 puma, on stock springs front and rear, Koni Raid shocks, ARB bullbar (no winch) with half a load of camping gear in the rear is:

    48cm front
    51cm rear

    Full load it would be level. Rides well although I've also considered HD fronts to stiffen front a bit, but I'm not so sure now given your measurements Dave. Reckon I'd try going back to standard fronts first, unless you really want airbags of course. Yours doesn't look too bad especially in the loaded pic. Having said that your rear measurement looks a bit low. Are they stock rear springs?

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