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    Engine Options

    Hello,

    Looking at the different engine options in the Defender from the 200tdi-300tdi, TD5 and the Puma-current...

    Think I am set on getting the TD5 motor powered Defender.

    Now regarding the TD5 - When did DPF filters come out, when did EGR's get factory fitted and when did Catalytic converters get fitted?

    I know from modifying other vehicles, some things you can change and remove other things are illegal to be removed if factory fitted (CAT, EGR, DPF)... to modify a vehicle down the road, it will have to meet the factory specification requirements... eg: If we were for argument sake to stick a Duramax V8 Diesel into a Defender, if the Defender was factory EGR/DPF/CAT those things would have to be on the new V8... if it did not come with those things... then you could essentially get any engine you want because the vehicle has no legal obligation to have those things as they were not factory fitted.

    So which model years of TD5 Defenders came out without DPF/EGR/CAT... and which TD5 is probably the best model to go with, with least issues surrounding it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.man View Post
    Hello,

    Looking at the different engine options in the Defender from the 200tdi-300tdi, TD5 and the Puma-current...

    Think I am set on getting the TD5 motor powered Defender.

    Now regarding the TD5 - When did DPF filters come out, when did EGR's get factory fitted and when did Catalytic converters get fitted?

    I know from modifying other vehicles, some things you can change and remove other things are illegal to be removed if factory fitted (CAT, EGR, DPF)... to modify a vehicle down the road, it will have to meet the factory specification requirements... eg: If we were for argument sake to stick a Duramax V8 Diesel into a Defender, if the Defender was factory EGR/DPF/CAT those things would have to be on the new V8... if it did not come with those things... then you could essentially get any engine you want because the vehicle has no legal obligation to have those things as they were not factory fitted.

    So which model years of TD5 Defenders came out without DPF/EGR/CAT... and which TD5 is probably the best model to go with, with least issues surrounding it?
    No DPF on Td5. Mine (1999 D2) has (had) EGR, no Cat.
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    So many very expensive things to go wrong on a Td5, from the harmonic balancer, to the flywheel, to the head, to the oil cooler etc etc... A 15 year old Td5 is going to have some issues, but all the common issues are big huge dollar items, that are now getting hard to find. At least with the 300tdi most of the parts were fairly simple low cost items. The td5 was only used on the landrovers in Australia, so the pool of good used engines ones is quite small.

    At least with the PUMA, those engines are in a variety of different utes that sold in huge quantifies compared to the old TD5.... My pick is the 2.2 being flat out the best land rover engine I've owned.... It's just had an Alive tune to deactivate the EGR, and now I don't think I need to bother with the LS conversion I had planned, it's so much more torquey.

    (I'm living in disappointment with my TD5 defender which is proving damned near impossible to fix...)

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    That last line gives it away , I would suggest if you can't fix it take it to someone who can , as for td5 only being for the Australian market ......b/s. Over 300 000 were built.
    You won't regret getting the td5, none had dpf , no cat until 2002 , all had egr ( the 2002 on had an egr cooler as well ) , most get rid of the lot , having said that the eu3 (02 on) engine had a few other changes ( different head ,cam , higher pressure injectors ) giving a noticeable increase in torque , they also run a different ( 4 wire aap sensor )which measures intake air temp on top of the usual as well as a 3 pot tps. Another bonus is the change to a flashable ecu which means it's a lot easier to remap . they had their faults back in the day ( plastic head dowels etc) but once sorted you can expect 5-600 000 kilometres .( some have done over a million k without the head off ( those will have had steel dowels from the factory).
    all of the oil coolers I have done over the years were a result of poor maintenance ( wrong or no coolant).
    Taking the vehicle to someone that knows them before you part with the money could save you a lot of money and headaches.
    They are the last land rover diesel ( though there's a small argument for ingenium but it's owned by tata)

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    Quote Originally Posted by discorevy View Post
    That last line gives it away , I would suggest if you can't fix it take it to someone who can , as for td5 only being for the Australian market ......b/s. Over 300 000 were built.
    You won't regret getting the td5, none had dpf , no cat until 2002 , all had egr ( the 2002 on had an egr cooler as well ) , most get rid of the lot , having said that the eu3 (02 on) engine had a few other changes ( different head ,cam , higher pressure injectors ) giving a noticeable increase in torque , they also run a different ( 4 wire aap sensor )which measures intake air temp on top of the usual as well as a 3 pot tps. Another bonus is the change to a flashable ecu which means it's a lot easier to remap . they had their faults back in the day ( plastic head dowels etc) but once sorted you can expect 5-600 000 kilometres .( some have done over a million k without the head off ( those will have had steel dowels from the factory).
    all of the oil coolers I have done over the years were a result of poor maintenance ( wrong or no coolant).
    Taking the vehicle to someone that knows them before you part with the money could save you a lot of money and headaches.
    They are the last land rover diesel ( though there's a small argument for ingenium but it's owned by tata)

    Forget that ford lump, the td5 is still the allround best engine fitted to a defender. The tdi beats it ONLY on simplicity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
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    Thanks for the comments.

    So should I look Pre 2002 TD5 (No Cat) or go with the CAT and get a 2006 Model...

    Btw - what was the 'last' TD5 year, 2006 or 2007?

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    From memory the Puma Defender came out in the 2007 model year, which runs from late 2006 to late 2007. My guesstimate is mid-late 2006, but happy to stand corrected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.man View Post
    Thanks for the comments.

    So should I look Pre 2002 TD5 (No Cat) or go with the CAT and get a 2006 Model...

    Btw - what was the 'last' TD5 year, 2006 or 2007?
    I like the 2002 on P15-P21 engines not the old P10 they were the first and were improved post 2002 who cares about the cat just put a decat pipe on it.
    Wouldn't go near a Puma personally and not just for the engine but that just my opinion.

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