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    Fomoco injector pumps etc.

    Hello everyone

    Mate of mine with his 2.2 has had his injector pump come apart inside and drop FOD and Micro FOD throughout his fuel system. I am not yet aware of the cause of failure, crook heat treatment, crook internal plating, contaminated fuel, whatever. The bits have distributed themselves through the tanks, fuel lines, injectors and everything else. Because the bits are from visual to microscopic the whole fuel system needs to be replaced - no guarantee that al the metal is out of the system. Big Bucks!

    To add insult to injury JRLA has no pumps or other critical bits in country. My mate has now been sitting on his derrier in Cairns for over a fortnight waiting for bits to come from UK....................and Urgent! Mmmmmmmm!

    Anyway, that is all an ongoing story that will eventually sort itself out and with mate saying he has had gutful of JRLA and customer support, may well be a late model 2.2 110 with new fuel system coming up on the market shortly.

    However, that all begs the question FOMOCO Ford Transit engine fuel system parts???????

    Plenty of transits out there, plenty of Ford dealers selling Transit engine parts. Transits off the road cost money! Ford must carry the parts....................and price re JLRA prices??? Probably wouldn't matter if Ford have them and JLRA don't.

    Would seem to me that our FOMOCO ECUs couldn't really give a damn whether the injectors and pumps and other control bits are in a Transit or a Deffie, and those ECUs are software controllable.

    So, are we able to use Ford parts from a Ford dealer to fix our Ford engines?

    Looking forward to an answer or three.

    Cheers

    RF

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    More food for thought.

    Mate with dead 2.2 went hunting through pommy forums and came up with this:

    Seems as though Fomoco and LR don't use the same protocol, some "service functions" of the mapping of the ford system may only be entered manually, requiring high level knowledge of procedures – from UK forum.


    That may or may not be the case. Looking forward to some "Informed" opinion. My thoughts run along the lines of:

    Whereas LR may have diddled with the Fomoco ECU (which is software programmable anyway) and the way Ford supply it to LR, I really can't see how the bits at the other end would give a damn! Those bits take commands from the ECU, as far as the operating bits are concerned doesn't matter which ECU those instructions come from they are dumb and will just do as they are told.

    While acknowledging that Transit and Deffie operating parameters are different, apart from the ECU, doing anything to vary the operating bits would be cost prohibitive for both Ford and LR.

    Cheers

    RF

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    Fuel Contamination .

    Greenbottle has been sitting in Trinity's wksp since Wed 18 Sep.

    Breakdown occurred 15 k's sth of Mt. Garnet at 1300 hrs Tue 17th, recovery task to Cairns, I'm in the camper at NRMA van park in Little Street.

    Trouble occurred with smoke from air con vents, engine ran rough, stalled, massive cloud of blue smoke from under the car, thought a fuel leak onto the exhaust. Re-started, got the combination off the road, switched off, no fire. Pulled air con fuse, re-started, idles rough.

    At the time he's chugging along quite happy, GCM of 3450 kg, engine speed 1800 revs, road speed 95.

    Fault-find. No damage evident under the bonnet. Called cavalry. Arrived Cairns 1915. Fuel sample taken from filter shows shiney, micro-fine metallic particles. Samples taken from service and reserve tanks, HP pump ditto, entire fuel system contaminated.

    I've identified the source of the contaminated fuel, a small one man servo at Hughenden where I put 86 litres total into the main service tank and the reserve tank. Considering options for recompense.

    Trinity quote $11,400.00 to strip, clean tanks and lines, new LP and HP pumps, Common Rail, HP pipes, injectors and sundry parts. I authorise the work. Now the bit that turns me off JLRA.

    New parts must come from Solihull. JLRA don't keep critical parts in Oz. "Five/six weeks Ray". Nup, I tell them five/six days by express. Parts arrived on Tues, entire job due for completion today (Thur 3 Oct).

    JLRA pretend to be a prestige outfit but no regard shown for the clientele, also leaves otherwise decent operations like Trinity Motors in the lurch. I'll be commenting to them on their arrogance and lack of consideration.

    This is the third time in 5 1/2 years of ownership I've had an issue with LRA, time to cut them out.

    Cairns a beautiful place but I want out, was not intending to stay here three weeks, can't afford it, will take a few days to organise payment, then commence trip home.

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    i can only speak for my experience. I run a Ford Transit 2.4 in my D130. I didn't do the install so can't say if the ECU is LR or Ford. I assume its the Ford unit because it would be more hassle to recode the LR one for the Ford transit engine than to plug in the Ford ECU and carry over all the coding and injector codes. Since the transplant I've installed BAS engine tune and it runs with no faults and no real hiccups between the BAS (LR) coding and if it is a Ford ECU. No interface problems with the BCU. I've in the past fitted a Ford genuine SCV and pressure control valve on the LR derived 2.4. With the Transit engine i fitted a new LR engine harness and injector harness. The SCV is common to about 30 engines across the Ford/Peugeot/LR range/some Nissans and others. The injector pump between the 2.4 and 2.2 are different but both common between Ford and LR in both engines variants. That would say to me that the sensors are common between the engines and same with the pump.

    The microcat schematics of the Ford transit are not common to the LR schematics. I have stood over the service parts guy at Ford and pointed to the parts i want.

    In Europe Ford has an engine assembly plant in Turkey and I believe LR assembled their engines in the UK. That was the case for earlier engines in the 2.4 range. Whether the later 2.2's came from Turkey i don't know. If you buy a crate long block from any of the aftermarket resellers you are buying a block from the Turkey plant.

    Long and short, don't limit yourself to JLR dealers and aftermarket suppliers. You will find many parts common with Ford and Peugeot diesels.
    MLD

    Current: (Diggy) MY10 D130 ute, locked F&R, air suspension and rolling on 35's.
    Current: (but in need of TLC) 200tdi 110 ute & a 300tdi 110 ute.
    Current: (Steed) MY11 Audi RS5 phantom black (the daily driver)
    Gone: (Dorothy) MY99 TD5 D110

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