How much winch is enough ?

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Originally Posted by John_D4

Thanks. I know that getting it to fit will be a challenge. I wasn’t going to put a bullbar in this car but I’m not seeing any way around it. Hopefully a bullbar with a custom made Winch cradle, and some bullbar modifications and it will fit. It’d be a shame to sell it, it’s a great winch.

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Something like this may suit you better John?

Discovery 3&4 Hidden Winch Mount and Bar : ProSpeed

Few Sheckles, otherwise a highly integrated solution.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Something like this may suit you better John?

Discovery 3&4 Hidden Winch Mount and Bar : ProSpeed

Few Sheckles, otherwise a highly integrated solution.

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Agreed, but my winch won’t fit, so I’d have to buy a new one. Which I might have to do anyway. Mine is 30mm longer than a 9500 warn & a lot bulkier

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Originally Posted by MLD

have a look at the Runva ewx9500_Q EVO - 80:1 ratio (standard Warn 8274 is about 123:1), so plenty quick and is low mount (no blocking the radiator)

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Cheers, will do, I'm a bit of a Runva fan.

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

not so, the winch extension is to allow you to get the length on the snatchblock, not to remote the snatch block. Snatch blocks should be mounted to whatever they are going to pull (or pull against) with a chain or strap rated to the capacity of the snatch block (which is always going to be at least 2x the max line pull of the winch)

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I hadn't considered that, fair point. I had considered using it as a tether for the snatch block but I was worried about overloading the extension. The way you've suggested makes much more sense. Cheers

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Originally Posted by W&KO

If the larger one physically fits and it’s not much more than I’d go this way.

Switching to a 2:1 pull doubles you winch capacity....albeit a bit slower.

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It may appear to be slower using a snatch block, but if you halve the load the winch should run at full speed. The amount of amps required should halve and when you have more than one wrap of rope on the drum is where a snatch block will make a real difference as the amount of effort required increases.
I have a Kingone winch 10000 lbs that i used for over 4 hours on and off on one recovery. always used a snatch block. The winch pulled all day, didnt get hot and i didnt run out of power. The Kingone was hauling faster than a warn winch when where where double blocking.

I would always use a snatch block on any heavy load.

Ian
Bittern

Remove the winch, get your certificate without it, then refit it.

oh should add, the aldi winch I've had for 10ish years now... Is now in its 4th landrover. 3x D1's, some time in a cradle for a single job in fozzy and now under the back of arkie.

in the second D1, with the help of a tractor, 2 ground anchors, fozzy coupled to a trailer and tied to a tree, 5 snatch blocks and a compound sheeve I've gone a guestimated 30T of pull to remove a stump with an aldi winch.

some say overkill, I say I'm too lazy to rig it twice.

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Originally Posted by ian4002000

It may appear to be slower using a snatch block, but if you halve the load the winch should run at full speed. The amount of amps required should halve and when you have more than one wrap of rope on the drum is where a snatch block will make a real difference as the amount of effort required increases.
I have a Kingone winch 10000 lbs that i used for over 4 hours on and off on one recovery. always used a snatch block. The winch pulled all day, didnt get hot and i didnt run out of power. The Kingone was hauling faster than a warn winch when where where double blocking.

I would always use a snatch block on any heavy load.

Ian
Bittern

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For the Warn XD9000
KG's M/Min Amps
0 11.6 56
910 6.8 161
1810 3.14 252
2720 2.29 332
3630 1.55 423
4080 1.19 478

also add, pull by layer (of wire/rope on the drum)
Layers KG's
1 4082
2 3715
3 3402
4 3180


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My opinion when winching is to keep the winching as simple as possible. Recovery normally isn't time sensitive (although it can be!). If you don't need to add something to the winching system, then don't add it. Minimise the number of components in place to minimise the risk during the recovery, even if you do have plasma rope.

So if you can recover without adding a snatch block, sling, bow shackle and sometimes a extension in the system, then do that first. If you do need it, then use it, but don't over complicate the system.

Got to love a 6hp 8000lb Warn high mount!

https://youtu.be/t-D_eWINMk4

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Just check the dimensions match within the limits of a Warn 9500 and you should be fine.

There’s a limit to the width between the rails and the alignment.

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Do you mean the Warn XD9000 with 4.6hp motor which only just fits by less than 1mm

or the 9.5XP which I thought was the XD9000 with a 6hp motor which I didn't think fitted with a centralised fairlead... or can these be made to fit unmodified into a Rover??

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Do you mean the Warn XD9000 with 4.6hp motor which only just fits by less than 1mm

or the 9.5XP which I thought was the XD9000 with a 6hp motor which I didn't think fitted with a centralised fairlead... or can these be made to fit unmodified into a Rover??

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In the D4 the 9500XP fits as the mounts are forward of the rail.